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Old 01-24-2013, 05:01 PM
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Have you ever seen a baby in critical care because his mother was a carrier of pertussis (which can sometimes only manifest as mild cold-like symptoms in adults) and ignorantly refused his vaccine? I have. It was awful and could have been prevented.


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Actually my vaccinated cousin came close to dying from pertussis... This is what I am saying. The pertussis vacs don't work. Was the mother unvaccinated? It makes no sense to risk the problems vacs can cause when this particular one has a poor track record for success. As does the flu shot which has been known to paralyze formerly healthy adults.
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That's what they say.... but I personally know children who were perfectly normal, happy little children one week and then after being vaccinated they were never the same. Also there are more children who die every year from complications due to the pertussis vaccine in the US than have died in the history of pertussis in England, where they do not vaccinate for it- and our kids still get pertussis! Not going to debate it I just wanted to add to this conversation but I have done a ton of research and I believe it is what is best for my children and myself.
I do not judge what you feel is right for your family at all! I just don't like to hear people say incorrect information that is not proven medically. You can say that you feel a certain way and that is perfectly fine though of course. I wasn't trying to argue, just making sure that facts were correct.
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I had the first set of shots done with all of mine (or shots when I got my new rescues) but that's it. I learnt a lot from my friend/breeder many years ago and researched vaccinations. A lot of people frown at me when I tell them but it's our decision. We do blood work when required and would welcome any essential shots. Apart from that, we don't respond to the 'yearly reminder'.
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Wow, thank for the heads up!
Scary, I take my new baby Zoe (8weeks) in for her first vet visit next week. I will be sure to research all the info before go....
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My Fizzy Dave nearly died due to a booster reaction, Never again will I booster my dogs

For a year after he lost weight, was miserable, bad coat,chewed his feet etc...
He is ok now but not as strong as he used to be.
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That's what they say.... but I personally know children who were perfectly normal, happy little children one week and then after being vaccinated they were never the same. Also there are more children who die every year from complications due to the pertussis vaccine in the US than have died in the history of pertussis in England, where they do not vaccinate for it- and our kids still get pertussis! Not going to debate it I just wanted to add to this conversation but I have done a ton of research and I believe it is what is best for my children and myself.
I don’t know how the vaccination of children came into this – but I have to correct you Erinself – you say that in England children do not receive the pertussis vaccine –also known as Whooping Cough – that is 100% incorrect and your research is wrong. This link will show you that uptake of the pertussis or as it is also known the whooping cough vaccine is over 90% in England, Ireland is similar.

Whooping Cough Vaccination | Doctor | Patient.co.uk

My daugher when she was 3 weeks old got whooping cough and spent 3 months in intensive care, she was extremely ill and was very, very fortunate to have survived – at 3 weeks she was too young to have received the first round of vaccinations but caught it from a child who was not vaccinated and had whooping cough.

I study historical documents as part of my work and I have come across records of parishes losing almost all their children through measles, whooping cough, etc. etc in the 1800s and early 1900s before vaccinations were available – it is heartbreaking to see entire families lose all their children month after month, villages losing almost all their children to diseases which fortunately now are preventable.

Vaccinations save lives – do we really want to return to the days where TB, Polio, Whooping Cough, Measles, etc etc wipe out populations of children because that is what happened before Vaccination, these were deadly and vicious diseases which swept through countries with no mercy – yes nowadays some people think they are safe not vaccinating their children but that is only because the majority of children around them are vaccinated and therefore the diseases don’t spread as they used to– but the more people who don’t vaccinate – the more children will die of these diseases again, and I for one am extremely angry at the family who did not vaccinate their child and who passed the whooping cough unto my then 3 week old child.

It is 100% proven that people/children die from these diseases.
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Well, as I said, my cousin got it, having been vaccinated. Adults get it, having been vaccinated. I may be wrong about the country the research stated did not vaccinate for pertussis. I read it quite a while back. I still know people personally who have had some major negative side affects from them. I know a mother that had a perfectly healthy 2 year old until he got booster shots and is now severely mentally handicapped and will basically be a two year old forever. I have spoken with a woman who had a career and was a runner and got a flu shot and was paralyzed the next day. I am not saying vacs in and of themselves are a bad idea but I am saying that there needs to be more research done before they start giving these shots to the public. They will change one minor part (so it seems) of a formula of a vaccine and just use it without much testing and it has had terrible effects. I don't trust them. They say that due to the nature of the problem, such as a swine flu outbreak, they need to quickly get the vaccination out there and there isn't time for extensive testing. I say it is unacceptable. My best friend got the swine flu vaccine and was in bed for a month. They say "she must have contracted it the day before she got the vac" I say no way. She was fine, got the shot, got very sick. It happened to lots of people. People who didn't come in contact with it anywhere else and were just following a doctor's recommendations. If there was extensive research done, done by people who were not making a profit from these vaccines, before they were allowed to be used. If the parameters were different on what constitutes "safe." I might get them. Right now it just seems the potential hazards outweigh the potential benefits.
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I do not judge what you feel is right for your family at all! I just don't like to hear people say incorrect information that is not proven medically. You can say that you feel a certain way and that is perfectly fine though of course. I wasn't trying to argue, just making sure that facts were correct.
I didn't feel like you were. I was just stating what I believe and my opinion.
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