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I need a better quality low protein liver formula dog food then Hill's prescription. Reading the ingredients, there is potential for allergies big time. The dog food analysis site gave it only one star. It gave the Royal Canin hepatic formula a two star rating. Anyone know of a better brand and quality food for Smoke? Bad enough he will be getting no protein while growing as a pup, I want to have at least the best quality food I can get for him.
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I found this that looks decent , it's the lowest protein i've seen, and i've been looking. But it's low in fat too. Not sure if you need low fat or not.
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What is the diagnosis? Is it a shunt?

I would join one of the liver disease yahoo groups. They have a ton of information on diets and supplements. I know that milk thistle is recommended along with denarin (spelling?)

I know some people have been very successful feeding their liver dogs on a raw diet. Raw meat is mostly water. The actual protein content of chicken breast, for example is 18% and if you took off the skin, it would be low fat.
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Thank you for the info. The protein count in the prescription food is 14.5% and is low in copper and sodium and high in other electrolytes. And Brodysmom, I do not think raw would be good in a dog you don't want to have protein as meat is protein. I also found this article that scared me off on trying it for Smoke.
Cautions on Raw Foods (Raw Meat) and Epileptic Dogs

There is a vegetarian diet I was looking at, I have to see what the vet thinks of it. The grains are better quality, but the protein is 16% and I have to see about the copper and sodium %.

Oh, and she isn't sure if it is a shunt or not, he could have had gotten into something. We will know more in two weeks.
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Oh lord, do NOT put him on a vegetarian formula.

Can you try him on one of the hones kitchen formulas? Some are around 21 % protein. Natural Balance also has some decent limited ingredient kibbles which are reasonably priced, also around 21% protein.

Costco has Kirkland brands -- its FAR better and FAR cheaper than science diet. Still not the GREATEST kibble but might give your entire pack a boost? I would guess cost must cross your mind w/ food w/ so many pups

California Natural also may be a good choice. Go with an adult formula rather than the puppy ; the protein content will be lower.
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Thank you for the info. The protein count in the prescription food is 14.5% and is low in copper and sodium and high in other electrolytes. And Brodysmom, I do not think raw would be good in a dog you don't want to have protein as meat is protein. I also found this article that scared me off on trying it for Smoke.
Cautions on Raw Foods (Raw Meat) and Epileptic Dogs

There is a vegetarian diet I was looking at, I have to see what the vet thinks of it. The grains are better quality, but the protein is 16% and I have to see about the copper and sodium %.

Oh, and she isn't sure if it is a shunt or not, he could have had gotten into something. We will know more in two weeks.
I just clicked on the website you posted as I just started with raw diet but it seems like all the info is on why you shouldn't feed an EPILEPTIC dog a raw diet. It also talks about the meat you get for raw has come from a slaughterhouse and can be contaminated yadda yadda but where ddoes the kibble meat come from? I watched a VERY intriguing documentary done on dog food yesterday and the lady who commentated used to work for the pet food industry and then became a veterinarian. They don;t even use the good parts of meat for the kibble she said they use scrap parts like chicken beak/head, feet, pigs snout etc. I literally just started feeding raw 2-3 weeks ago and haven't seen a huge difference yet so I am in no way in a position to defend raw feeding but just from what I've gathered it seems to me that at least if you feed raw you KNOW what you are feeding. I'm no expert on what the requirements are on your dogs needs but just judging on the link you posted I seem to disagree with.
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I'm sorry - I don't know a lot about what's been going on & I apologize in advance if these questions have been answer in another post I missed. I did read your latest post about Smoke. Did they do a bile acid panel on him or just general bloodwork that showed the elevated liver emzymes? Obviously something is going on with him with the seizures & all but I just want to share that Marley had a slight elevation in liver enzymes prior to his neuter (they were 170). I certainly am no vet nor am I questioning yours but I wanted to let you know what our vet told us re: elevated liver enzymes. She said they could be caused from a number of reasons (virus, getting into something containing a bit of bacteria, horsing around with playmates, getting sat on accidentally or "bumped" by a foot accidentally). Anyway, a slight elevation doesn't necessarily mean the liver isn't working properly - only that there had been a trauma to the liver & that it is shedding damaged cells (thus the elevated emzymes in the blood). Marley was put on a milk thissle med (Marin) for a few weeks & recovered just fine.

Anyway, that is why I was curious if he'd had a bile acid test to see what his liver function was looking like. That is something I'd want to know if this was my dog, prior to making a decision as drastic as a vegetarian diet or another low protien diet as protien for a puppy is so important.

Of course if his elevated liver enzymes was directly related to the seizure (such as a shunt) you'd want to find an alternate low protien food. I wouldn't discount the raw diet either. As Tracy said when you look at nutritional information about meat the protien isn't as high as you'd think because fresh meat is high in hydration. This is why so many kibbles are higher in protein...because there is no moisture. You also may want to look at a good wet food or like Kristi mentioned some of the HK formulas are lower in protein as well.

You possibly may see a decrease in symptoms if switching to a more raw or homemade diet (dehydrated or otherwise). Some dogs just do not react well to kibble period. And possibly that's all it would take to improve his health? Again, I'm no vet or anything but it is a direction I wanted to suggest because of some stories I have read in which dogs just plain thrived better healthwise off kibble.

Good luck, I truly hope you're able to find a food that works for him & helps his condition.
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Check out this website, it has some good information:
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