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Old 11-08-2012, 01:12 PM
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Listen I don't mean to sound harsh or anything but can I ask why on earth you are still trying to feed raw when she's eating a 5 star kibble and does ok on that? and I ask because she has obvious demonstrated sensitivities.

Chi's are sensitive little dogs, there's been more than one person on this forum who's dog got sick from raw.
If she's thriving on kibble I cannot say I would rock that boat!

Just my opinion having owned many dogs in my years!
It's only because she poops 4 times per day if I feed her only Acana. In Sweden, this is the only 5 star kibble I can get aside from Orijen. Not sure what other to feed her then if not Acana.

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Actually I was going to ask the same thing. I realize raw is very good and all, but maybe it just isn't for Gemma because she keeps having issues. Why experiment? Also maybe Acana is also not for her if she is pooping a lot from it.

I am leary of chicken because I worry about salmonella, but I am not sure if that applies to dogs. Also, why does the raw have to be meat? How about vegetables? Will she eat raw carrot etc?

Maybe just stop trying the raw for a while and give her just kibble. I have been giving Kalisee just kibble with a few drops of fresh olive oil in it and I leave the bowl there..eventually, every single day, she goes and gobbles it all up. The kibble I give her doesn't make her go alot at all. I know its may not be the absolute very best, but it is working for now and we can afford it. (Belcando)

I give her raw on occasion for variety, but I do not change things often and I have never had a allergy or poop problem...just one time when I gave her watermellon and that did not agree with her at all.

Maybe Gemma would not mind the same thing every night. We, as humans, may get bored of the same and the same but some dogs do well with that. I used to think the same thing till I realized that Kalisee has been eating the same thing for months and doesnt mind..although she does get a few other little tidbits too at times. Not all doggies are the same though.

I hope you solve your little girls food issues and hope that the itchies go away!
She was just eating kibble for a month to get her back to normal. Once she stopped itching, I introduced raw pork back into her diet but then she started itching again. I don't really want to chase her around all day waiting for 4 poops that she would just love to eat if I don't catch her. She uses pads, so she goes when she wants. I wouldn't give a crap if she pooped 10 times a day but the problem is that every time she poops, she tries to eat it. So if I am not home or awake to pick it up, it's in her mouth and she brings it up on the couch and leaves chewed up pieces all over it. There's a better chance of me being around to pick it up if it's just 1-2 poops per day. She's been yelled at, she's been spray bottled, she's been given pineapple, I've sprinkled pepper over her poops, and nothing works for her. She will do whatever it takes to eat her poop so the only way it seems I can really stop her is by picking it up immediately. She did stop eating it for a while when she was on antibiotics, but obviously I can't give her antibiotics all the time. Right now she seems to have a schedule of one in the morning and one at night, so it's easy for me to predict when she's going to do it. When she is just on Acana, it's at random times all throughout the day.

Haven't tried vegetables but don't really want to because there's no reason for her to have vegetables. She already gets more vegetables than she needs in her Acana, and I'm assuming that is why she poops so much on it because it's 40% unnecessary ingredients that don't really get absorbed by her.
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Oh, also, it's very rare for dogs to get salmonella from raw meat. They have short digestive tracts that don't give bacteria really any time to multiply, and the have very strong digestive juices that kill bacteria as well. Way more potent than the human digestive system! I'm not too worried about salmonella from chicken.
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I had a dog once that ate his poo.... I used Pineapple and it didn't work.... I bought some Coprophagia pills from the petstore and within 2 days he never touched his poo again... have you tried buying pills?? I crunched them up in his food.......
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Oh, also, it's very rare for dogs to get salmonella from raw meat. They have short digestive tracts that don't give bacteria really any time to multiply, and the have very strong digestive juices that kill bacteria as well. Way more potent than the human digestive system! I'm not too worried about salmonella from chicken.
Oh I didnt know this..I wasn't really sure about it. Try the chicken. If she likes it, she wont mind having it every night. I also forgot you have a poop eater, sorry! Ever tried to put vinegar on them or will she gobble it up?

I know how you feel about not being able to get good food where you are. I hope you resolve the issues soon.
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Caitlin, I know exactly how you feel. At the beginning of this year I started Lulu on a homemade diet--long story short--she is very allergic to chicken. Then I went on a quest for the perfect food and discovered I think she is allergic to lamb (not brave enough to test it to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt). I said all that to say I came to this conclusion from my personal experience that I hope helps you--I don't know if it is fact it is just what I believe. First, if she likes chicken and is not allergic and you are OK with her eating that for her evening meal every night--do it! No variety. I personally believe dogs don't need it. Lulu and Gidget get Venison ZP every morning and night and carry on before you can get it down for them to eat like they are deprived! LOL I think we put our human feelings of a need for variety on them. Secondly, if you are having a problem with number of poos on Acana, I know you have tried ZP for Gemma before and she did not like it, but she was tiny and you could not afford to hold out on her. She is bigger now and you could attempt to try the ZP again and give her a few days to decide that was it and see if she would eat it. If you are OK with Acana and don't want to go the ZP route, if you have to order your Acana I would encourage you to go to their website and read about their Limited Ingredient foods--Lulu loved Duck and Barlett Pear and Gidget ate Lamb and Okanangan Apple. Being Limited Ingredient it may cut out something that may cut down on the number of poos and I liked the fact that their LI foods did not have rosemary but their other foods do.
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I had a dog once that ate his poo.... I used Pineapple and it didn't work.... I bought some Coprophagia pills from the petstore and within 2 days he never touched his poo again... have you tried buying pills?? I crunched them up in his food.......
I have not tried those pills. They don't seem to exist here in Sweden (vet had no idea what my boyfriend was talking about when he asked for a product to make her stop eating poo), but I can probably order them from Amazon. I'm willing to try anything at this point. I woke up to Gemma licking my face and when I got up and walked out into the living room she had just been munching on turds on the couch...

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Oh I didnt know this..I wasn't really sure about it. Try the chicken. If she likes it, she wont mind having it every night. I also forgot you have a poop eater, sorry! Ever tried to put vinegar on them or will she gobble it up?

I know how you feel about not being able to get good food where you are. I hope you resolve the issues soon.
No worries! Glad to be helpful. She used to get vinegar in her water but I've never put it on her poops directly. Worth a shot!

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Caitlin, I know exactly how you feel. At the beginning of this year I started Lulu on a homemade diet--long story short--she is very allergic to chicken. Then I went on a quest for the perfect food and discovered I think she is allergic to lamb (not brave enough to test it to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt). I said all that to say I came to this conclusion from my personal experience that I hope helps you--I don't know if it is fact it is just what I believe. First, if she likes chicken and is not allergic and you are OK with her eating that for her evening meal every night--do it! No variety. I personally believe dogs don't need it. Lulu and Gidget get Venison ZP every morning and night and carry on before you can get it down for them to eat like they are deprived! LOL I think we put our human feelings of a need for variety on them. Secondly, if you are having a problem with number of poos on Acana, I know you have tried ZP for Gemma before and she did not like it, but she was tiny and you could not afford to hold out on her. She is bigger now and you could attempt to try the ZP again and give her a few days to decide that was it and see if she would eat it. If you are OK with Acana and don't want to go the ZP route, if you have to order your Acana I would encourage you to go to their website and read about their Limited Ingredient foods--Lulu loved Duck and Barlett Pear and Gidget ate Lamb and Okanangan Apple. Being Limited Ingredient it may cut out something that may cut down on the number of poos and I liked the fact that their LI foods did not have rosemary but their other foods do.
It is so frustrating trying to figure out what works and what doesn't without having to expose them to something that is potentially making them feel unwell for a long time. I'm just stopping the pork now before it gets any worse. Not worth the risk in my opinion. Same with the beef. I looked up those limited ingredient foods here a while ago and I did find the lamb and apple one, but no duck. When I put in my next order, I'm going to ask if I can get a sample size of the lamb before I buy a whole bag. It has oats which I'm not totally fond of, but if she does better on it, then I guess that's what matters to me.

What does rosemary do? Is it bad?
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I have limited computer time so bear with me. We are in the midst of moving across the country. But wanted to jump in and ask.... are you SURE that the pork you are feeding is not enhance with sodium? Read the label. It has to be 100mg or less per 4 ounce serving. MUCH of pork (and beef and chicken too) is being injected with salt solution to add flavor and tenderness. Its really common in this country, I don't know about Sweden.

One of the MAIN causes of intolerance of raw meats and itching is the sodium content of the meat. So that would be the first thing I would check!

If you are positive that it has no salt added, then just go back to chicken. She will still get the benefit of the raw meat/bone if chicken is the only meat she can tolerate. Hang in there.
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There is a published study that raw fed dogs shed Salmonella in their stools.
So that is something you might want to seriously consider given Gemmas propensity to eat poop in light of her waking you up this morning by licking your face ...
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