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Old 11-24-2012, 04:21 PM
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Default MINIMAL VACCINE FOLKS: Missed 3rd Puppy Shot. What Now??

Hi everyone,

Question here specifically for the holistic/minimal vaccine folks:

I missed our puppy's 16-week Parvo & Distemper. Bad me. She's had 2 shots, the first the breeder did at 8 weeks, and then her 12-week Parvo & Distemper. She has not had any vaccine after she turned 16 weeks.

HOWEVER, we live right smack downtown in the largest city in Canada. Once our vet gave us the go ahead, she's been out and about on the streets and in the parks. If there's Parvo anywhere, there's Parvo EVERYWHERE. So, she has certainly come into contact with it this year. Therefore, it is highly, highly unlikely that she isn't already immune. I suppose that it's possible, though.

Given what I know about how vaccines work (that is, that they're not a cumulative "medication" but rather we give a series to ensure puppies are protected as soon as their maternal antibodies wane) and given that something like 94% of puppies are immunized by 12 weeks (with the 16-week vaccine being largely redundant for most puppies) I am questioning whether I should give the third vaccine.

What would you do? Would you assume she's received all the benefit of vaccinating from her first/second shot, and just boost at 1 year from the date of her last Parvo & Distemper? Would you do a vaccine titre test for Parvo & Distemper, and vaccinate only if there is no antibody response shown? Or would you give the third shot and not think twice?

Our dogs are so tiny, and each unnecessary vaccine is a lot of junk to be putting into their system if you subscribe to the "vaccines are toxic" theories, as we do.

Thanks in advance!

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This is something I am really passionate about bc my first chi Gino died from a vaccine induced auto immune disorder. If it was my dog, I would titer only and then re-vaccinate if the titers are negative. I also wouldn't re-vaccinate next year either. If ur puppy's titers are positive now, she should by text book definition be immune for life, however I would redo titers in 3 years. Unfortunately the rabies vaccine titers do not hold up in court here and they are required (although I haven't had mine redone for my babies). Hope this helps!!


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I agree. Hopefully, I can do the same with Bonnie. She got sick with the last puppy shot.
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This is something I am really passionate about bc my first chi Gino died from a vaccine induced auto immune disorder. If it was my dog, I would titer only and then re-vaccinate if the titers are negative. I also wouldn't re-vaccinate next year either. If ur puppy's titers are positive now, she should by text book definition be immune for life, however I would redo titers in 3 years. Unfortunately the rabies vaccine titers do not hold up in court here and they are required (although I haven't had mine redone for my babies). Hope this helps!!


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This is what I would do too. Although I do get rabies because we get fined regularly if we don't. But I don't think you need rabies in Canada. So I'd just get titers. Then in a few years, repeat.


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Thanks guys. Zorana sorry to hear about Gino.

Does anyone know approximately how much Parvo & Distemper vaccine titres should cost? Comparable to vaccine? Hundreds? Hundreds and hundreds? I need to know what to prepare my husband for so he doesn't hit the floor when we go for our appointment on Wednesday.

Also, rabies is "required" but they now accept a 3-year so I guess that's better. I probably have to give Rabies later, but I am putting it off as long as I can. Ideally I won't give her rabies vaccine until we need it for travel by AIR (you can drive across the border just fine with an unvaccinated dog. Thankfully.) Our little dogs are never in a situation to contract rabies, or bite someone thus leading to a lawsuit where Rabies would come into question. Our big dogs are vaccinated for boarding/grooming purposes. We won't stick the little dogs into a kennel.
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Thanks guys. Zorana sorry to hear about Gino.

Does anyone know approximately how much Parvo & Distemper vaccine titres should cost? Comparable to vaccine? Hundreds? Hundreds and hundreds? I need to know what to prepare my husband for so he doesn't hit the floor when we go for our appointment on Wednesday.

Also, rabies is "required" but they now accept a 3-year so I guess that's better. I probably have to give Rabies later, but I am putting it off as long as I can. Ideally I won't give her rabies vaccine until we need it for travel by AIR (you can drive across the border just fine with an unvaccinated dog. Thankfully.) Our little dogs are never in a situation to contract rabies, or bite someone thus leading to a lawsuit where Rabies would come into question. Our big dogs are vaccinated for boarding/grooming purposes. We won't stick the little dogs into a kennel.
Do you already have a vet that you go to? Titer pricing can really vary. Some places charge around $200, while some may charge $50. And if you plan on doing rabies soon, I would wait at least 6 weeks after her last shots.

There is a really great book called "scared poopless" about holistic dog care and its so informative and cute. It's written from the point of view of the author's maltese. She addresses lots of topics like food, vaccines, spaying/neutering, surgery, ect.


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At my vet, titers were about 150% the price of vaccines. But you don't get them every year, so in reality they end up being cheaper. It depends though, I lived in a rural area. Toby is just 1 year old so he isn't due for titers for a few years since he had all his puppy shots.

We have the 3 year rabies here too. I fun it horrible that some vets recommend the 1 year vaccine when it is literally the same dose of medication- then the dog ends up with 3x the vaccine in his system.


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Zorana, our vet is one of the oldest/most famous Holistic Vets in the city. This means we don't have to fight to ONLY do Parvo & Distemper instead of those horrid multi-way vaccines. On the flip side, it might mean we pay a premium. So we shall see. I will call around for prices on Monday. At some point, though, once you get charged all the "new client" fees to go somewhere else, it starts to add up. So I am sincerely hoping our vet offers vaccine titres for just a small premium over vaccines themselves. I will even pay double! LOL
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