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My cupcake went into heat around October 25th ish.I had gallbladder surgery the 30th of October and suffered the whole month of October.So,my sister and boyfriend were helping me out with the chihuahuas.I was up to 5 hour attacks every 3-4 hours unable to walk and sleep no pain meds helped no heat nothing!I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy! She was to be spayed right after her first heat Allot of the vets around hear scared me with the o she is so small.So I was just gonna wait till she took on more weight to be spayed safely as,I have read horror stories herd horror stories and with their scaring the living hell out of me crap!!!! and now she is knocked up :sad2: With only my self to blame!I rescue,take in chihuahuas from breeders that no longer want them or from people who have abused them.I do not have NO ISSUES with breeders that are improving the breed and what not or anyone who does I just don't, have never...Just their is so many beautiful Chihuahuas being thrown away that need some one to take them in and love them so I do and NOW THIS!!!!

anyway I really hate my self right now.I'am so scared for my cupcake right now and the vet seems to not be so worried AT ALL?????like op i see it all the time attitude?(non negative)just not flipping out whaling like I was?
This afternoon I noticed she was even more portly than before the last 2 months?She is right at a year the 12th of this month so I figured maybe she was finally going to gain some weight as she has always so leggy and skinny,skinny had her checked for worms a few times even worried about how skinny she was!I feed her some pumpkin thinking she was just constipated?she was still pooping and pumpkin was not helping, Because she was STILL POOPING!?? So she couldn't be stopped up?Her nipples were a lil larger than normal(her nipples stayed the same size since she went into heat? and her back...... is when it hit me her back is bowed up!!NOt AT ALL like when one of my rescues from years ago was stopped up.So I started like hysterically calling my vets office thank god they are open till 1 am tonight.Crying my self all the way to the vets.THINKING WHAT A DUMB as* i'D HAVE TO BE but romeo could never make babies in my head he is 10 or so years old herniated back really bad had broken jaw when i got him! How could i not know How could a dog with no testicles that was supposedly fixed do this?He has been to the vet yearly and the vet never even debated he was fixed??:(.Cupcake has never gotten out ever always attached to me along with the others.Romeo my male chihuahua DOSNT HAVE TESTICLES?? which I found out tonight doesn't matter so he is NOT FIXED as I had thought.
ROMEO IS 5 N A HALF POUNDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cupcake is only 3 n a half normally!She is now at 5 pound 30z's and maybe/around 7.7 weeks pregnant!!!!!WAS NOT PLANNED
I'm dying I'm flipping out.Even if I did want to breed a dog he is too big and she is too young and WAY TO SMALL TO EVER HAVE puppies right?
Do people breed 3 and a half pound females???.The vet didn't even discuss abortion if I would have allowed it??? He took Great xrays and consoled me promising me she would be fine.I wanted a sonogram,but the specialist was not in.He even said he wants her to try to DELIVER on her own!!WHY?HOW?To make it even worse he said the two pups are breach.

:help:has anyone herd or has or know of some one breeding a 3 n a half pound female? IS it even possible?? The vet seemed to not be at all worried and is convinced she can pass the pups,but they look so huge!If all else fails she can have a c section he says,Which I'm fine with other than the worrisome anesthesia?She is 7.7 weeks and they are so huge are they supposed to be this huge?The vet seemed not even worried I busted out CRYing my eyes out even more when i seen them!!!Any one have xrays of there pregnant chihuahuas are the chihuahua puppies supposed to be this big?The Vet and tec said they looked great and had great heart beats?
I'am so worried about my lil baby cupcake.....I know this is probably best in the Breeding forum,but I cant get to it?Wont let me post?I'm so sure when i was in the hospital my sister did tell me the females were interested in her and she did say she let them outside all together with suposibly fixed ROMEO.Then she would put her up away from the girls for some peace.
I've added the xrays with my poor baby and her what looks to me BIG babies???Should they be this big?cupcake is the same height as Romeo almost(he is short and stalky dear head white and tan) ,but cupcake has a way smaller head and skinny body normally.The Vet even made her lactate!!He said it could be any day now to 10-14 days??Which does not help me out at all..since she was in heat on the 30th of October not sure of what time she was pregnant she had to have started????we don't know?
 
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Unfortunately most vets don't realise there is a difference between breeding regular dogs and breeding Chihuahuas. Chi's are slightly more complicated due to their size.
Three and a half pounds is the absolute minimum weight for breeding, although most breeders would only choose to breed from four and a half pound plus bitches.
To try and work out a due date, count 12 days from the first day that you thought she was in season, and call that day 1.
As she is only having 2 ( at least it looks like that to me) I would expect them nearer 56 days than the full 63 which is normal for most breeds. I would get another X-Ray at 56 days, and see if the vet thinks she will be able to deliver naturally. If he does, see if you can get an experienced breeder to assist you with the birth.
If he doesn't, you can either go for an elective C section when convenient or wait for signs of labour and take her in then. By waiting until she is in labour, she is much more likely to accept and feed the puppies. You can have her spayed at the same time, this actually makes the healing process easier/quicker for her.
If she already has milk, I think the puppies are going to come soon, definitely within a week.
Don't waste time and energy beating yourself up, it has already happened, all you can do now is prepare for the birth. Make sure Cupcake is eating several tiny meals a day of the best quality food. She won't be able to manage large meals. She needs to be wormed. Normally a small dose of Panacur is given daily from day 40 of the pregnancy until 2 days after birth. As you have different drugs and worming regimes in the USA, ask your vet or an experienced breeder about what is suitable for a pregnant bitch. Roundworms are the main issue, if the mum has them they will be passed on to the pups.
If you decide to try a natural birth you will need a whelping kit; a reliable thermometer, lots of towels, lubricant, drops such as Dopram V for reviving pups that don't breath well (available from vets) scales, dental floss (for tying off cords) a heat pad, vetbed, and a cardboard box in a quiet room. If you decide on a C section you will only need the last three.
Start taking her temperature 3 times a day and make a note of it. When you see a significant drop, the birth is imminent. (If it goes up, above normal, you need to contact your vet ASAP.)
Your Romeo must have both testicles retained, he will need to be castrated ASAP to prevent them becoming cancerous.
I wish you and Cupcake the very best of luck, please keep us updated.
 
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vet says she is having two puppies.If I calculate October 30th when I had surgery She is at 55 days if i add the extra 12 she is at 67 days!:( maybe this is why her pups are so big looking.Right after I got out of the vets I drove her home to be with my sister and bought bulb syringe (do i need it?)thermometer,Have a heating pad that has the safety shut off,box heater,and I have her on my bed in a huge laundry basket with three soft larger baby blankets that she loves to cuddle in(have others too) as I'am worried she will go into labor any minute and fear for her.My vet didn't tell me about lubrication,but I agree I need some now,like right now don't want to risk it! after staying up all night watching her and reading up on whelping.She normally sleeps with me and is on my lap always or my side so didn't want to move her too far away from me.She is not showing any aggression towards the other chihuahuas or yorkie.
Should I keep them off the bed with me and cupcake?block my bed off so they cant come up in case she starts at night?If she is stressed but not showing it she seems very calm as usual? even when I was crying and all scared at the vets office?
Also I have watched youtube videos on breached birthing and have seen people helping the mother lubricating and gently pulling the puppies out one even showed a women just ripping the cord off (which dental floss is for)!!Should I assist her or leave her be and watch make sure she can deliver the pups?The vet is so certain she can,but I'm so worried she cant.My vet is 10 minutes from the house thank god.If i get to where She needs help how do I transport her with out stressing her out too much or one of the puppies?I've been told by the vet she can take up to TWO hours to pass one puppy?She is a very calm little girl,what are some major signs for concern?I have so many questions :(Thank you for your help
 
#4 ·
10 to 12 days after the first signs of heat is when they usually ovulate, so when she is most likely to have mated. Which would mean pups due from the 28th December, but only a rough guess as you didn't witness a mating. It sounds about right if she has milk now.
Lubrication (ideally ready loaded into 1ml syringes) can help get a stuck pup out. If you can get obstetric gel this is the best, if not, KY jelly will do.
The hardest part is knowing when to assist and when to leave alone, this is where the experienced friend comes in!
Call your vet as soon as she goes into labour, so he is on standby. If you are worried at all, call him again. Better safe than sorry.
If you think a pup is stuck and the head is out, add the lubrication (squirt 4 syringes all around the pupppy) and see if she can push it out herself on the next contraction. If not, help her by pulling gently but firmly, gripping pup in a cloth, on the next contraction. Pull down towards her tummy, not away from her. If the stuck pup is breech, and breech presentations are normal in dogs, it needs help straight away, don't wait for a contraction or the pup may drown.
Let her clean the pups and deal with the cords and placentas, she will know what to do. Watch closely to make sure the sack is off the face so the puppy can breathe. If a puppy is bluish at birth rather than a nice pink it needs rubbing vigorously before being given to mum. You will only need to tie the cords off if they bleed a lot, usually they don't.
Watch for the placentas, there will be one for each puppy, she should ideally eat at least one of them. They don't always follow each pup, but make sure she has passed them both within 24 hours.
The aspiration bulb is a good idea, make sure each pup is free from fluid and breathing clearly. You can also swing them upside down, but hold tightly, newborn puppies are slippery!
Offer her water and something with calcium in inbetween pups. Keep a clock by the whelping box, if there are problems the vet will want to know the times.
If she asks to go out whilst in labour, watch her really carefully. Sometimes a first time mum can mistake a puppy coming for the urge to poo, so if it is dark take a torch and a towel for just in case. If she is used to pee pads that is much safer.
If she needs to go to the vet, carry her and take the pup/pups in the laundry basket.
As soon as her temperature has dropped, keep her in sight until the pups arrive. If you have to go out, get someone to watch her.
Most bitches don't want other dogs around when whelping. If it isn't bothering her, then don't worry. It is good that she is so calm. You really need an experienced breeder with you for the birth, even if it is just to reassure you that everything is normal.
 
#5 · (Edited)
No people don't breed 3 and a half lb bitches, the vet wouldn't have been concerned because most know very little about whelping chis, try and find an experienced chi breeder in your area that could help you

thats odd they wouldnt spay her...i had a bitch spayed recently that was under 3lbs and she was fine ...vets neuter much smaller animals all the time
 
#6 ·
I know nothing of breeding, but you are right to come here for advice and you are being given great advice.

Both Stella and Chloe recommend trying to find an experienced chi breeder in your area to help, please do try to do that, I wish you the best of luck with it all and hope for a good outcome for the mum and pups.
 
#7 ·
I don't know anything about breeding or birthing pups, but please try to relax. You don't want her picking up on your stress. Believe me, I know how hard it is to do that!

Hopefully all will go well for both of you. You can't blame just yourself! When you're sick you don't have much choice but to get help!

Prayers for you and cupcake.
 
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Can you asked for a c section? Will they do that in request? It sounds like you have a lot of concerns and because you are not an experience breeder it seems like it become an emergency situation easily with breach puppies. It was suggested that she could be spayed at the same time as the c section would be done. If I was in your situation, this is the way I would go... I think. Keep us posted!


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#12 ·
This is what I had requested to the vet and he is persisting to let her try first on her own.I'll pay the 1,500-2,000 whatever the cost to have her spayed right away and her 2 pups and her be safe.The vet seems to be worried since she is a first time mom that she would reject the pups?
 
#11 · (Edited)
Thank you all soooo much<3 I have been researching and reading like crazy.Lat night her temp was 100.5 which I've read happens a temp increase then a temp decrease which now she is down to 98.5 then I took another temp 3 hours latter and was 98.8 (but had a sweater on as its cold outside this morning... I called the VET and the women told me I NEED TO LET NATURE TAKES ITS COURSE! I did tell the vet receptionist about her temp drop and she was all ooo sometimes that dose not mean she is going into labor ,but every where I read it says it means she is and in 18-24 hours she could be in labor!!?I really want a second opinion now but on Christmas might be hard and the vet is only 10 minutes so if i need to take her in it can be FAST!The vet seems to be worried more about her not accepting the puppies than all of their lives?They are so sure she can pass the pups that their heads are not too big or anything just breach which happens.
MY WORRY she will break the placenta while the puppies still inside and will down DIE!!The vet told me NOT TO ASSIST to let it takes its course,but if i could save the baby puppy why not?Should I hold Cupcakes head back from trying to rip the placenta if the puppy is still inside her?What if she takes a break on contractions and the puppy's left to drown after she has broken the sack?I don't know how I feel about the whole pulling the puppy towards her stomach to release pups head and arms? Obviously I'm worried she might be more stressed or reject the puppies if I handle them(with towel pulling) to help her or would she EAT THEM I've READ about this happening!!!Cupcake is not nesting in her box she is nesting in my blankets and in my lap!!She has always been right on top of me 24/7 and is now even more following me EVERYWHERE I GO?Last night she woke me up with some low moaning on my chest waking me up and moving around trying to get comfortable (NO SIGN OF ANY OAK COLOR DISCHARGE LIKE HER WATER BROKE OR ANYTHING?I've got her separated from everyone. I'm just worried with the puppies being breach she could break the sack too soon and the puppies drown?My aunt has watched several golden/cocker spaniel puppies even some breach and her advice is to let cupcake do it all on her own,but those r bigger dogs with larger litters:confused: Chihuahuas are know for complications?
 
#18 ·
Its natural for her to break the sac as the baby is coming out, if this happens, and the baby doesnt come in an hour or so, then you go to the vet and if he cant get it out, he does a C Section. They need to go into labor first, then go with the flow.
My first chi was a retired breeder. She lost her second litter due to scheduling a c section. they opened her up and the puppies were not ready to be born and they died. The breeder thought she would save trouble and time I guess by doing it before labor, but her calculations of the breeding were not right and the babies were too premi to live. Let her go into labor first!
 
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yes, about half all puppie born are breach. Mine were. But I raise POODLEs , not chihuahuas. But I really dont see the difference in a chi giving birth or a poodle, just that your chi is tiny and should not have been bred. I groom a tiny little yorkie and they bred her to a bigger male ( I would not have) I just knew that little girl would have to have a c section. NOPE, she had 3 just fine. Her owners were scared to death, and had her spayed after the babies were weaned. They were calling me all day and half the night. :)
Once you see the sac, or part of the puppy, and she is pushing, and after about an hour and its not coming yet, then you can worry. Once they start coming out, I take a dry wash cloth, or paper towel and wrap it around the body and start helping her , just tug gently. The reason for the cloth is they are very slick and I cant hold on to them without it.
 
#21 ·
My chi delivered her last 2 litters of 3 breach with no problems she is 5lbs. This was a few years ago but none the less. I also had a labour that lasted literally 27 hours I called the emergency vet the entire night but they all finally came out. I think you need to calm down and just wait until it happens now you're educated somewhat from research you'll know what to do when the time comes. Take a deep breath and just keep an eye on cupcake since you're not sure when it's coming the most obvious sign will be the crying panting and nesting
 
#22 · (Edited)
Thanks everyone for the prays and great advice <3 Lil cupcake is still with pups.Her temp has bounced around allot?My notes so far keeping a log staying calm>>
6:30 pm 100.5 24th day 55/56?
8:30 am 98.6 25th 56/57?
10:30am 98.8 25th 56/57?
11:00pm 100.6 25th nesting with backing bottom up with hard pressure to me (3 times?)and diamond leg positioning on back,Good heart beats on pups lower placement of pups!
10:30am 98.6 26th 57/58 lower placement of pup/back less arched/good heart rate on pups and cupcake.
6:03pm 98.6 26th 57/58?

Christmas eve night around 11-12 she started acting VERY fidgity and uncomfortable waking me up all night with kicks and head rubs to my face and licks to my nose and pawing at my face for belly rubs?
Last night Christmas night at 11:00 pm She was Very uncomfortable(never whining or crying,screaming,just squinty eyes,and some long sighs :( which means she dose not feel good?)She has never been the kinda chihuahua that's very whinny, shaky, yappie,she is a tough lil cupake. She only lets out hard,belting barks only at night when I first let her out she is scared of the dark<3.
Last night She Started to nest in her whelping box and decided to pull her blankie out and lay it on me?I thought we were gonna have the pups right on my lap with the way she was acting with her favorite blankie! Allot of deep breaths,rolling around, and then She would not let me stop rubbing her belly at all.She propped her self up on my legs and chest (like a baby)sitting on her bottom while lying her back against my stomach and bowed her back legs out in the diamond position As,if she was trying to open her birthing canal? right?She kept pawing at my hands to not stop rubbing her lil belly so I didn't for an hour alternating hands until. She has not allot of belly hair left :(.Poor baby girl.After she was happy with all the belly rubs.She went for some water and then she backed her rear end up to me several times (3 times)HARD while breathing/sighing loud?Then went back to not letting me stop belly rubbing and passed out hard to sleep?We have been up for going on two night now.With small naps.She mostly sleeping during the day while I try to stay awake.When she naps I have to nap.If she is awake while I'm trying to nap she wont let me sleep?She starts pawing at me and licking my face and nose.She will lick right up my nose?Clearing my airway practice maybe?She has always licked my face and cuddled me with her little head but never so obsessed with licking my nose inside Like I cant get away from her if i move my head she just persist and she will surprise me with it too?ALSO when I woke up this morning she looked so different in her spine,like she lost weight?Her spine is less arched now.I had to use my moms littmann stethoscope the back side(the little side)to make sure she still even had pups!As,the day has gone on They still are moving around but not as much and are lower now with good heart beats?I have not noticed any water breaking discharge or anything,but the vet says its almost impossible to spot her water breaking?

Is she trying to hold the pups in I'm wondering now?Has she tried starting labor,but cant push the pups out like the DR swears she can?He said the pups heads can pass her hips.

what did the backing her rear end to me Hard mean?Like all her force she was putting into applying pressure to her back end she had backed up to me?

Is this normal anyone else seen this before or had it happen to their pregnant chihuahua?

If the pups are in the birthing canal Would I still be able to see them move?
 
#23 ·
Her first temp drop has been longer than 24 hours now?
Walking in and out of whelping box and pulling blankies out on my LAP!
Restless at night likes stretching out on her side and belly?
dose not want me out of her sight even while sleeping?
Ate today small meal nibbled here and their about a quarter of what she normally eats and pooed outside(she is completely house broken :D )?
NOT SHACKING OR WHIMPERING NO VOMITING at all just some long sighs as if to be uncomfortable??
vulva seems to look the same.
Her back is not Arched as much as it was and pups seem lower closer to her vulva puffier lower belly?

Vet told me it could be any day night or another week as she is lactating??
Her actions last night I would think means this is first stage of labor?
 
#25 ·
they can carry on like this for days. Especially if they are spoiled pets! I sat up several nights in a row a few years ago just knowing it was time. Temp was up and down. HA! I gave up and time finally came about a week later. When she is close to labor, she wont eat. Only my piggy dogs that will eat anything will eat before labor. You will see contractions, her belly will tense up and get really hard for a few sec to a min. She will throw up when she gets close. I'd say she is spoiled (as she should be) and is very uncomfortable. When she goes into labor , YOU WILL KNOW. Her vulva will swell up, she will have "milk bags" . you will know.
pam in TX
 
#26 · (Edited)
Her temp has been doped now for a whole day!I feel like last night she wanted to deliver,But she stopped her self by pushing her back end up to me really hard?like trying to push them back in?

My vet says O it could be a day,tonight next week we don't know every dog is different Which is True...

BUT......I'd rather her have a section than try to hold the pups in or hurt her self and the pups,but the vet is still saying she can do it!So I'm talking to her (cupcake)and trying to encourage her and keep her warm happy and full of food.I want her to care for her pups and have that bond,but id rather nurse them and take care of her after the c-section than loose her and the pups.:( My vet and the tech just keep saying its mother nature let it takes it course she can do it so I'm trusting them and believing in lil Cupake staying calm for my baby and babies. Its really hard nursing pups. Im worried of aspiration and if they would get enough food and proper food.G tubes its no fun..So I want her to do this and get through it naturally.My vet dose not seem to worried about her backing her rear end into me hard to me?I have never herd of such a thing but I did read they can delay their labor some how?:confused2:
 
#27 · (Edited)
I got some pics of her so far It looks like she has some pretty big milk bags in the back 4 of her poor baby?Her first teats are small?The dad who dose not even have testicles but still was able to get her Pregnant!!




Pippin the mini Yorkie being a snoop all pictures Taken 3 days ago

Her teats are even bigger now they hang down like a cows :( The babies are even lower now.I can see them kicking and moving around her vulva area and her last 4 teats area.They were higher up near her ribs now they r low!
 
#29 ·
The vet said the same thing >.< Little turd he is so cuddly and a doll and loves everyone so we figured Romeo fit him. pssst We were told he was fixed even the vet didnt debate it he has no testicles!Just the skin ,but I've seen dogs neutered and still had the skin like my moms lab was done.
 
#30 ·
Cupcake is so sweet looking. she is long in the torso, able to carry the pups well. Hope it all goes well for you and her. All you can do is be prepared, get all of your supplies ready, have a plan B and a plan C if you need to . So much of this is really beyond anyone's control now. She is a really adorable pup--I am hoping and praying for her !! Thanks for the updates.
 
#31 ·
I wish you the best of luck!! Raising an unexpected litter is a lot of hard work but well worth it. I only have a few more weeks with Eden's puppies and I know I'll miss them! I hope everything goes smoothly for Cupcake. If you'd like I'd be happy to send you some information on handling exercises and different things to help raise well rounded pups. I have Care Guide's that I send out with each pup too that I'd be happy to email to you to pass on. Keep us posted!! <3
 
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