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Old 12-24-2012, 04:18 AM
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My cupcake went into heat around October 25th ish.I had gallbladder surgery the 30th of October and suffered the whole month of October.So,my sister and boyfriend were helping me out with the chihuahuas.I was up to 5 hour attacks every 3-4 hours unable to walk and sleep no pain meds helped no heat nothing!I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy! She was to be spayed right after her first heat Allot of the vets around hear scared me with the o she is so small.So I was just gonna wait till she took on more weight to be spayed safely as,I have read horror stories herd horror stories and with their scaring the living hell out of me crap!!!! and now she is knocked up With only my self to blame!I rescue,take in chihuahuas from breeders that no longer want them or from people who have abused them.I do not have NO ISSUES with breeders that are improving the breed and what not or anyone who does I just don't, have never...Just their is so many beautiful Chihuahuas being thrown away that need some one to take them in and love them so I do and NOW THIS!!!!

anyway I really hate my self right now.I'am so scared for my cupcake right now and the vet seems to not be so worried AT ALL?????like op i see it all the time attitude?(non negative)just not flipping out whaling like I was?
This afternoon I noticed she was even more portly than before the last 2 months?She is right at a year the 12th of this month so I figured maybe she was finally going to gain some weight as she has always so leggy and skinny,skinny had her checked for worms a few times even worried about how skinny she was!I feed her some pumpkin thinking she was just constipated?she was still pooping and pumpkin was not helping, Because she was STILL POOPING!?? So she couldn't be stopped up?Her nipples were a lil larger than normal(her nipples stayed the same size since she went into heat? and her back...... is when it hit me her back is bowed up!!NOt AT ALL like when one of my rescues from years ago was stopped up.So I started like hysterically calling my vets office thank god they are open till 1 am tonight.Crying my self all the way to the vets.THINKING WHAT A DUMB as* i'D HAVE TO BE but romeo could never make babies in my head he is 10 or so years old herniated back really bad had broken jaw when i got him! How could i not know How could a dog with no testicles that was supposedly fixed do this?He has been to the vet yearly and the vet never even debated he was fixed??.Cupcake has never gotten out ever always attached to me along with the others.Romeo my male chihuahua DOSNT HAVE TESTICLES?? which I found out tonight doesn't matter so he is NOT FIXED as I had thought.
ROMEO IS 5 N A HALF POUNDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cupcake is only 3 n a half normally!She is now at 5 pound 30z's and maybe/around 7.7 weeks pregnant!!!!!WAS NOT PLANNED
I'm dying I'm flipping out.Even if I did want to breed a dog he is too big and she is too young and WAY TO SMALL TO EVER HAVE puppies right?
Do people breed 3 and a half pound females???.The vet didn't even discuss abortion if I would have allowed it??? He took Great xrays and consoled me promising me she would be fine.I wanted a sonogram,but the specialist was not in.He even said he wants her to try to DELIVER on her own!!WHY?HOW?To make it even worse he said the two pups are breach.

has anyone herd or has or know of some one breeding a 3 n a half pound female? IS it even possible?? The vet seemed to not be at all worried and is convinced she can pass the pups,but they look so huge!If all else fails she can have a c section he says,Which I'm fine with other than the worrisome anesthesia?She is 7.7 weeks and they are so huge are they supposed to be this huge?The vet seemed not even worried I busted out CRYing my eyes out even more when i seen them!!!Any one have xrays of there pregnant chihuahuas are the chihuahua puppies supposed to be this big?The Vet and tec said they looked great and had great heart beats?
I'am so worried about my lil baby cupcake.....I know this is probably best in the Breeding forum,but I cant get to it?Wont let me post?I'm so sure when i was in the hospital my sister did tell me the females were interested in her and she did say she let them outside all together with suposibly fixed ROMEO.Then she would put her up away from the girls for some peace.
I've added the xrays with my poor baby and her what looks to me BIG babies???Should they be this big?cupcake is the same height as Romeo almost(he is short and stalky dear head white and tan) ,but cupcake has a way smaller head and skinny body normally.The Vet even made her lactate!!He said it could be any day now to 10-14 days??Which does not help me out at all..since she was in heat on the 30th of October not sure of what time she was pregnant she had to have started????we don't know?
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Unfortunately most vets don't realise there is a difference between breeding regular dogs and breeding Chihuahuas. Chi's are slightly more complicated due to their size.
Three and a half pounds is the absolute minimum weight for breeding, although most breeders would only choose to breed from four and a half pound plus bitches.
To try and work out a due date, count 12 days from the first day that you thought she was in season, and call that day 1.
As she is only having 2 ( at least it looks like that to me) I would expect them nearer 56 days than the full 63 which is normal for most breeds. I would get another X-Ray at 56 days, and see if the vet thinks she will be able to deliver naturally. If he does, see if you can get an experienced breeder to assist you with the birth.
If he doesn't, you can either go for an elective C section when convenient or wait for signs of labour and take her in then. By waiting until she is in labour, she is much more likely to accept and feed the puppies. You can have her spayed at the same time, this actually makes the healing process easier/quicker for her.
If she already has milk, I think the puppies are going to come soon, definitely within a week.
Don't waste time and energy beating yourself up, it has already happened, all you can do now is prepare for the birth. Make sure Cupcake is eating several tiny meals a day of the best quality food. She won't be able to manage large meals. She needs to be wormed. Normally a small dose of Panacur is given daily from day 40 of the pregnancy until 2 days after birth. As you have different drugs and worming regimes in the USA, ask your vet or an experienced breeder about what is suitable for a pregnant bitch. Roundworms are the main issue, if the mum has them they will be passed on to the pups.
If you decide to try a natural birth you will need a whelping kit; a reliable thermometer, lots of towels, lubricant, drops such as Dopram V for reviving pups that don't breath well (available from vets) scales, dental floss (for tying off cords) a heat pad, vetbed, and a cardboard box in a quiet room. If you decide on a C section you will only need the last three.
Start taking her temperature 3 times a day and make a note of it. When you see a significant drop, the birth is imminent. (If it goes up, above normal, you need to contact your vet ASAP.)
Your Romeo must have both testicles retained, he will need to be castrated ASAP to prevent them becoming cancerous.
I wish you and Cupcake the very best of luck, please keep us updated.
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vet says she is having two puppies.If I calculate October 30th when I had surgery She is at 55 days if i add the extra 12 she is at 67 days! maybe this is why her pups are so big looking.Right after I got out of the vets I drove her home to be with my sister and bought bulb syringe (do i need it?)thermometer,Have a heating pad that has the safety shut off,box heater,and I have her on my bed in a huge laundry basket with three soft larger baby blankets that she loves to cuddle in(have others too) as I'am worried she will go into labor any minute and fear for her.My vet didn't tell me about lubrication,but I agree I need some now,like right now don't want to risk it! after staying up all night watching her and reading up on whelping.She normally sleeps with me and is on my lap always or my side so didn't want to move her too far away from me.She is not showing any aggression towards the other chihuahuas or yorkie.
Should I keep them off the bed with me and cupcake?block my bed off so they cant come up in case she starts at night?If she is stressed but not showing it she seems very calm as usual? even when I was crying and all scared at the vets office?
Also I have watched youtube videos on breached birthing and have seen people helping the mother lubricating and gently pulling the puppies out one even showed a women just ripping the cord off (which dental floss is for)!!Should I assist her or leave her be and watch make sure she can deliver the pups?The vet is so certain she can,but I'm so worried she cant.My vet is 10 minutes from the house thank god.If i get to where She needs help how do I transport her with out stressing her out too much or one of the puppies?I've been told by the vet she can take up to TWO hours to pass one puppy?She is a very calm little girl,what are some major signs for concern?I have so many questions Thank you for your help
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10 to 12 days after the first signs of heat is when they usually ovulate, so when she is most likely to have mated. Which would mean pups due from the 28th December, but only a rough guess as you didn't witness a mating. It sounds about right if she has milk now.
Lubrication (ideally ready loaded into 1ml syringes) can help get a stuck pup out. If you can get obstetric gel this is the best, if not, KY jelly will do.
The hardest part is knowing when to assist and when to leave alone, this is where the experienced friend comes in!
Call your vet as soon as she goes into labour, so he is on standby. If you are worried at all, call him again. Better safe than sorry.
If you think a pup is stuck and the head is out, add the lubrication (squirt 4 syringes all around the pupppy) and see if she can push it out herself on the next contraction. If not, help her by pulling gently but firmly, gripping pup in a cloth, on the next contraction. Pull down towards her tummy, not away from her. If the stuck pup is breech, and breech presentations are normal in dogs, it needs help straight away, don't wait for a contraction or the pup may drown.
Let her clean the pups and deal with the cords and placentas, she will know what to do. Watch closely to make sure the sack is off the face so the puppy can breathe. If a puppy is bluish at birth rather than a nice pink it needs rubbing vigorously before being given to mum. You will only need to tie the cords off if they bleed a lot, usually they don't.
Watch for the placentas, there will be one for each puppy, she should ideally eat at least one of them. They don't always follow each pup, but make sure she has passed them both within 24 hours.
The aspiration bulb is a good idea, make sure each pup is free from fluid and breathing clearly. You can also swing them upside down, but hold tightly, newborn puppies are slippery!
Offer her water and something with calcium in inbetween pups. Keep a clock by the whelping box, if there are problems the vet will want to know the times.
If she asks to go out whilst in labour, watch her really carefully. Sometimes a first time mum can mistake a puppy coming for the urge to poo, so if it is dark take a torch and a towel for just in case. If she is used to pee pads that is much safer.
If she needs to go to the vet, carry her and take the pup/pups in the laundry basket.
As soon as her temperature has dropped, keep her in sight until the pups arrive. If you have to go out, get someone to watch her.
Most bitches don't want other dogs around when whelping. If it isn't bothering her, then don't worry. It is good that she is so calm. You really need an experienced breeder with you for the birth, even if it is just to reassure you that everything is normal.
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No people don't breed 3 and a half lb bitches, the vet wouldn't have been concerned because most know very little about whelping chis, try and find an experienced chi breeder in your area that could help you

thats odd they wouldnt spay her...i had a bitch spayed recently that was under 3lbs and she was fine ...vets neuter much smaller animals all the time
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I know nothing of breeding, but you are right to come here for advice and you are being given great advice.

Both Stella and Chloe recommend trying to find an experienced chi breeder in your area to help, please do try to do that, I wish you the best of luck with it all and hope for a good outcome for the mum and pups.
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I don't know anything about breeding or birthing pups, but please try to relax. You don't want her picking up on your stress. Believe me, I know how hard it is to do that!

Hopefully all will go well for both of you. You can't blame just yourself! When you're sick you don't have much choice but to get help!

Prayers for you and cupcake.
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Prayers for cupcake and her pups. Hoping the best for you all! Xoxo


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