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Old 03-30-2009, 08:30 PM
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So a new member here bought a purebred Chi and it appears to be a wirecoat. Assuming that this Chi is truly purebred and not crossed with something else, do you guys think this could be a wirecoat mutation?

Here's the thread with the pictures of Sophie...

What do i have?

Breeder insists that she is a purebred long coated chihuahua. But she sure looks like a wire coat to me. I am wondering if this is a natural mutation? What do you guys think?

Do you think in the future we could have short coats, long coats, and WIRE coats in our breed???

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Acording to AKC standard there is SC and LC and no Wire coat that I have ever heard of.
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I do not believe that chi is a purebred. What are the parent's? I must have missed it. Anything is possible. Can that happen over time?
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No, there is no wirecoat in the Chi standard. It would be a mutation from a long coat. It would be a LONG road for AKC recognition of a third coat type. Maybe even impossible. But breeders do watch for mutations and when one occurs, a group of dedicated people can get together and try to replicate it.

For example, in cats, a hairless kitten is born to two regular long coat parents. The breeder keeps the kitten and breeds it to a sibling or back to a parent, hoping that the gene will reproduce itself. In the litter they get two hairless and two regular coats. They keep the gene pool very small and inbred but eventually they are throwing more hairless than regulars. Over time, they can outcross for genetic diversity, and eventually they have a "breed type" which breeds true.

Very interesting! Was just wondering if others thought this little Sophie might actually be a wire coat mutation. Obviously, it would be nice to see pictures of parents and DNA, etc.

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Hmm. I am not sure... they would be very cute though!! Compared to other mixes... this chi puppy seems to have the more "apple dome" head versus the mixes who take on the longer snouts. But genetics can be a funny thing. However I think the yorkie/chi mixes give off that "wire hair" look. Even though yorkies don't seem to have "wire hair" looking fur, I think that somehow the mix of the two must produce that look. These pics are just from google images. Who knows if this breeder is telling the truth, a lot of people mislabel puppies just to make more money. Whether the breeder is or isn't telling the truth it's still kinda shady she never showed Sophie's mom a pic of the father!

These are Yorkie and Chihuahua mixes. From google images.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_TP6lfw_SfO...s400/Teddy.JPG

http://cdn-www.dailypuppy.com/media/...1.jpg_w450.jpg

Except this mix reminds me of Sophie!
http://img.ziply.com/img/us/image/640m-480m/81939.jpg

Next... here's Chihuahua and Brussels Griffon mixes. All from google images again.

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/images17...Dolly1Year.JPG

http://www.puppymillrescue.org/September2006/Taz11.jpg

http://www.pupcity.com/images/adpics...03744502_1.jpg

Here is a Chihuahua and Wire haired terrier mix, again from google images.

http://www.canberrapoochrescue.org.a...08/Mickeyf.jpg
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You definitely are more learned on this subject than I am. I have heard of this happening but wasn't sure. Did that breeder do DNA and show her the parents? I think anything is possible. Her baby isn't papered, huh? I would be so curious to know the details of that? She's so cute but definitely not all chihuahua, in my limited knowledge and opinion.
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The only way to know is DNA and I do believe with her having a wire coat that the genetics would show the true canine species she is from. But is it worth it to the owner when she bought her as a pet only with no papers? Did the owner see the actual parents?
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I'm sure that the original poster does not care at all if she is purebred or not. Even though she was represented to be by the breeder. (Who could be a nutcase for all we know).

I was just wondering that IF she was the product of two purebred Chi's, then she could actually be a naturally occurring mutation. And if so, could that be replicated? If you look at breeds that have several coat types and research into the development of the breeds, often they were crossed with other breeds in order to get the coat type they wanted. But sometimes a natural mutation occurred and this was bred from.

I just find it very interesting.

After seeing the pictures that Jessica posted from google, I tend to think that Sophie is a mix. But wouldn't that be something IF she was a naturally occurring wirecoat???

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