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Old 12-30-2012, 07:41 PM
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I need your collective help. Simcha is generally quite good in his house training behaviors, with one exception. There is one area he has marked a few times, but not in the last couple of months. I thought we had broken him of this habit by keeping a careful eye on him, and making sure he gets walked often enough.

The area, which is of course carpeted, is at the back end of our dining room, just a couple of feet from a floor to ceiling mirror. Ruth walks him at about 8 - 9pm. We then put him in his special bedroom (formerly an enclosed porch, now fully climate controlled). First thing in the morning, about 745am, he gets fed. I will then generally play and socialize with him for a while, while Ruth gets herself assembled and fully dressed before walking him about 830 [I have a bad back, which is especially limiting in the early morning, so she is the Designated Walker].

This has worked out well, and he seems to hold his water quite successfully, with no accidents for the last couple of months. Let me add that although Simcha is a neutered male, he lifts his leg in genuine male fashion when urinating. This morning he got out of my sight for just a moment at around 8am. Then I found him staring at that mirror from a couple of feet away, and he was urinating while standing nearly upright, with his rear legs bent into the slightest squat It was hard to visually observe whether the stream was intense. I shouted at him rather loudly from several steps away, whereupon he seemed to stop peeing and freeze in position. He looked a bit guilty and confused. Ruth then rushed to take him out and he went about his routine business - that included peeing in his usual fashion without any enormous sense of urgency.

To the extent that I could evaluate, it appeared that he had not voided an entire bladderful on the carpet. The wet spot seemed fairly small, and I cleaned up with Foster and Smith's Cleanaway. I would like to think that his behavior is male marking, as a challenge to that mysterious dog in the mirror. However, I must also add that, on a day to day basis, he does not often go to check out that mirror zone.

What's the opinion among the CP experts? More to the point, is there any clever way to break this behavior?
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I have the same problem and it's getting quite stressful now. Bailey 17weeks always goes for a wee on the paper and poo occasionally on there but he prefers to poo under the dining table and under the Xmas tree is his new spot. I have bleached the floors as I have laminate but he still keeps doing it. I reprimand him by tapping him on the bum n saying naughty boy n time out in his cage. This does not seem to work as he keeps doing it I'm wondering too weather it's male orientated or just naughty behaviour???????


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I have the same problem and it's getting quite stressful now. Bailey 17weeks always goes for a wee on the paper and poo occasionally on there but he prefers to poo under the dining table and under the Xmas tree is his new spot. I have bleached the floors as I have laminate but he still keeps doing it. I reprimand him by tapping him on the bum n saying naughty boy n time out in his cage. This does not seem to work as he keeps doing it I'm wondering too weather it's male orientated or just naughty behaviour???????


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I'm sorry I can't help with the OP's question. But if bailey is pooing where you don't want him to, then he shouldn't have access to that place. You can use a crate, puppy play pen or leash him to you to help... If crated, take him to the pad at regular times. If in a playpen, he can have a pad in there. if leashed to you, you will be able to see when he needs to go and you can take him to the pad. Tapping a dog won't do anything and shouldn't be done IMO, dogs learn through positive reinforcement - ignore the bad and reward the good. Go crazy, offer a fantastic treat and tell him what a good boy he is when he poos on the pad. I'm sure you do this part already. Another thing, by cage I assume you mean crate? If so, it shouldn't be used as punishment in a time out, that's a safe haven, not a naughty spot.


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Joe, if this is a new behavior I'd suggest getting him tested for a uti. It's odd that it started out of no where and he didn't fully empty his bladder. That would be my guess.


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I have the same problem and it's getting quite stressful now. Bailey 17weeks always goes for a wee on the paper and poo occasionally on there but he prefers to poo under the dining table and under the Xmas tree is his new spot. I have bleached the floors as I have laminate but he still keeps doing it. I reprimand him by tapping him on the bum n saying naughty boy n time out in his cage. This does not seem to work as he keeps doing it I'm wondering too weather it's male orientated or just naughty behaviour???????

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At his age he isn't old enough for freedom. He needs to be supervised 100% and when he can't be he needs to be contained. If he is 100% supervised, if you see his starting to go immediately pick him up and take him to the pad. Then encourage him to go there. Do not reprimand if he has an accident, only praise him when he is good. If he has an accident silently clean it up. He may be pooing under the table because he fears he will be punished if you see it. That is why positive reinforcement is the best method usually, especially for dogs his age. At 17 weeks he isn't sexually mature so this is not a male issue. And it isn't naughty behavior- he just isn't trained yet. It took Toby until he was 7 months old (28ish weeks) to be 100% reliable.

Never use the crate as punishment- that needs to be a positive place for him. He needs to associate the crate with good things, never punishment. Otherwise he will never want to go on the crate- you don't want that.


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Thank you girls I will try what u suggest x
Have a great new year xxxxxxx


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Thank you girls I will try what u suggest x
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And you Kerry .
Also, at the top of this page is a search bar - put in potty training, there are so many threads on the subject, very interesting reads. Most will echo mine and Ashley's comments, there will also be other tips to pick up on


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Brill thank you any help is good xxx


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