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Wellness Core is what I feed, but not the reduced calorie one. It may not be filling him up. I think my biggest problem with Angel is that he doesn't chew his food. Does he chew his food?

I also feed The Honest Kitchen Embark. I feed one eighth cup of each per day. You may want to check into feeding raw. I see a lot of dogs on here that healthy and keep a good weight with it!
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He does not look that big to me it is hard to tell with him sitting down. I would just reduce his food and healthy snacks like everyone else said. He looks like a puppy he is very cute. Lola is fed a raw diet and does really well but even with tat you have to be really careful. One benefit is her teeth are so small and crooked when we got her they were brown. Now they are the brightest white color fantastic for chihuahua teeth. It looks like she is a puppy with the teeth she has.what I have been told about weight is when you run your hands down you dogs sides you should feel ribs without pushing in. You don't want to see ribs just feel them. Now that I feel Lola someone needs her food cut back. Being cooped up in the winter doesn't help.
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Wellness Core is a good food. I didn't know they made a grain free reduced fat version. Some dogs, just like some humans, don't do well with a diet high in carbohydrates and starches, and you're not getting a lot of carbs in a grain free kibble. But you might try comparing labels, because even grain free dog foods have carbs and starches from the ingredients they do include. In an effort to reduce the fat in the food, but keep the flavor, it's possible they've limited the meat but upped the fruits and veggies and things like potato starches and such, which can increase the carb content dramatically.

As a point of comparison for you, my dogs are 3.5 pounds each. They each get a total of 1/4 cup of grain free kibble a day, which keeps them at their ideal weights. If you're only feeding your dog 1/4 cup total as well, and he's gaining, or at least not losing, that tells me one of four things:

1. The food he's on, not matter the quality, is adding weight for some reason.
2. He's under exercised.
3. He's getting too many treats or other food in between his actual meals.
4. A medical condition

It could be any one of these things, a combination of them, or all of them.

I would get him checked out thoroughly at your Vet's, with a complete blood panel to see where all his levels are.

Do a food comparison, as mentioned above. You can obviously afford decent food. So make what you purchase as nutrient dense and as carb/starch limited as possible.

I'd cut out EVERY SINGLE TREAT he currently gets, whether it's treats you give him as a training reward, or ones you hand out just because, or the "treats" he gets when he scarfs around in the kitchen looking for what's on the floor that he can gobble up. And that DEFINITELY has to include the treats or other food he's pampered with from your folks. Double check with them to make SURE they're not giving him extra stuff when you're not looking. Use bits of his kibble as a treat if you actually NEED to treat him for some reason....training, NILIF, whatever.

I would increase his exercise considerably. While I'm sympathetic to the schedule you keep as a student, I also have concern for your dog, and it sounds like you do too. No, he's not a balloon. But he is a sausage, and that additional weight is contributing to all kinds of future health problems which I'm sure you want to avoid. If you can't walk him more than you already do, then play games with him. Chase him around the coffee table. Play tug. Throw a ball that he can run after, even if he doesn't bring it back. Increasing his activity level doesn't just mean walks, it means ANYTHING that keeps him on his feet and moving as opposed to being curled up on the couch or your lap.

And one last thing. Some dogs are just food hounds. They will act like they're starving even when they're so obese they can barely move! I have one of those (not the obese part, the food hound part) in Tango. He always acts like he's just positively STARVING and if he doesn't get food RIGHT THIS MINUTE A Horrible Thing will happen!

I just don't buy it. He's always the one tearing around the kitchen with his nose to the floor looking for crumbs. I treat my kitchen now the way I used to treat it when I had toddlers who would crawl around on the floor and put anything they found in their mouths. It's always swept or picked up. He would beg for food if he were allowed to be where we are when we're eating. He has to be put up when my grand kids are over, because he'd take the food right out of their little hands....as toddlers, their hands are at the perfect height.

Tango is at his ideal weight but acts like I'm starving the crap out of him. Jazz is also at her ideal weight, and though she's excited at meal time (because she's hungry by then) she doesn't go crazy like Tango does when there's food in her environment.

Some dogs are just like that. So don't please buy into your dog's little act. He is definitely not starving because he's definitely overweight.

I hope you're tenacious about getting some of that weight off of him. It's not good for him and is only going to lead to more problems as he ages.
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Wellness Core is a good food. I didn't know they made a grain free reduced fat version. Some dogs, just like some humans, don't do well with a diet high in carbohydrates and starches, and you're not getting a lot of carbs in a grain free kibble. But you might try comparing labels, because even grain free dog foods have carbs and starches from the ingredients they do include. In an effort to reduce the fat in the food, but keep the flavor, it's possible they've limited the meat but upped the fruits and veggies and things like potato starches and such, which can increase the carb content dramatically.

As a point of comparison for you, my dogs are 3.5 pounds each. They each get a total of 1/4 cup of grain free kibble a day, which keeps them at their ideal weights. If you're only feeding your dog 1/4 cup total as well, and he's gaining, or at least not losing, that tells me one of four things:

1. The food he's on, not matter the quality, is adding weight for some reason.
2. He's under exercised.
3. He's getting too many treats or other food in between his actual meals.
4. A medical condition

It could be any one of these things, a combination of them, or all of them.

I would get him checked out thoroughly at your Vet's, with a complete blood panel to see where all his levels are.

Do a food comparison, as mentioned above. You can obviously afford decent food. So make what you purchase as nutrient dense and as carb/starch limited as possible.

I'd cut out EVERY SINGLE TREAT he currently gets, whether it's treats you give him as a training reward, or ones you hand out just because, or the "treats" he gets when he scarfs around in the kitchen looking for what's on the floor that he can gobble up. And that DEFINITELY has to include the treats or other food he's pampered with from your folks. Double check with them to make SURE they're not giving him extra stuff when you're not looking. Use bits of his kibble as a treat if you actually NEED to treat him for some reason....training, NILIF, whatever.

I would increase his exercise considerably. While I'm sympathetic to the schedule you keep as a student, I also have concern for your dog, and it sounds like you do too. No, he's not a balloon. But he is a sausage, and that additional weight is contributing to all kinds of future health problems which I'm sure you want to avoid. If you can't walk him more than you already do, then play games with him. Chase him around the coffee table. Play tug. Throw a ball that he can run after, even if he doesn't bring it back. Increasing his activity level doesn't just mean walks, it means ANYTHING that keeps him on his feet and moving as opposed to being curled up on the couch or your lap.

And one last thing. Some dogs are just food hounds. They will act like they're starving even when they're so obese they can barely move! I have one of those (not the obese part, the food hound part) in Tango. He always acts like he's just positively STARVING and if he doesn't get food RIGHT THIS MINUTE A Horrible Thing will happen!

I just don't buy it. He's always the one tearing around the kitchen with his nose to the floor looking for crumbs. I treat my kitchen now the way I used to treat it when I had toddlers who would crawl around on the floor and put anything they found in their mouths. It's always swept or picked up. He would beg for food if he were allowed to be where we are when we're eating. He has to be put up when my grand kids are over, because he'd take the food right out of their little hands....as toddlers, their hands are at the perfect height.

Tango is at his ideal weight but acts like I'm starving the crap out of him. Jazz is also at her ideal weight, and though she's excited at meal time (because she's hungry by then) she doesn't go crazy like Tango does when there's food in her environment.

Some dogs are just like that. So don't please buy into your dog's little act. He is definitely not starving because he's definitely overweight.

I hope you're tenacious about getting some of that weight off of him. It's not good for him and is only going to lead to more problems as he ages.
Great post!! Jaxx is like Tango and acts like he is being starved but he is his ideal weight. I agree about the playing catch and such indoors. I usually have a pile of toys sitting beside me when I am doing school work. That way I can always throw a toy and Jaxx can chase after them while I get assignments completed. I know that a students life is busy. There are days when I have to find the time to exercise Jaxx. Jaxx on a normal day usually gets a 2-3 hour walk but if I am busy with school work I can always find 30 minutes somewhere to walk him even if it is just 30 minutes before I go to bed because I know it is what is good for him. I am sure if you find time here and there to exercise him you will see a huge difference in his weight overtime.
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Wellness Core is a good food. I didn't know they made a grain free reduced fat version. Some dogs, just like some humans, don't do well with a diet high in carbohydrates and starches, and you're not getting a lot of carbs in a grain free kibble. But you might try comparing labels, because even grain free dog foods have carbs and starches from the ingredients they do include. In an effort to reduce the fat in the food, but keep the flavor, it's possible they've limited the meat but upped the fruits and veggies and things like potato starches and such, which can increase the carb content dramatically.

As a point of comparison for you, my dogs are 3.5 pounds each. They each get a total of 1/4 cup of grain free kibble a day, which keeps them at their ideal weights. If you're only feeding your dog 1/4 cup total as well, and he's gaining, or at least not losing, that tells me one of four things:

1. The food he's on, not matter the quality, is adding weight for some reason.
2. He's under exercised.
3. He's getting too many treats or other food in between his actual meals.
4. A medical condition

It could be any one of these things, a combination of them, or all of them.

I would get him checked out thoroughly at your Vet's, with a complete blood panel to see where all his levels are.

Do a food comparison, as mentioned above. You can obviously afford decent food. So make what you purchase as nutrient dense and as carb/starch limited as possible.

I'd cut out EVERY SINGLE TREAT he currently gets, whether it's treats you give him as a training reward, or ones you hand out just because, or the "treats" he gets when he scarfs around in the kitchen looking for what's on the floor that he can gobble up. And that DEFINITELY has to include the treats or other food he's pampered with from your folks. Double check with them to make SURE they're not giving him extra stuff when you're not looking. Use bits of his kibble as a treat if you actually NEED to treat him for some reason....training, NILIF, whatever.

I would increase his exercise considerably. While I'm sympathetic to the schedule you keep as a student, I also have concern for your dog, and it sounds like you do too. No, he's not a balloon. But he is a sausage, and that additional weight is contributing to all kinds of future health problems which I'm sure you want to avoid. If you can't walk him more than you already do, then play games with him. Chase him around the coffee table. Play tug. Throw a ball that he can run after, even if he doesn't bring it back. Increasing his activity level doesn't just mean walks, it means ANYTHING that keeps him on his feet and moving as opposed to being curled up on the couch or your lap.

And one last thing. Some dogs are just food hounds. They will act like they're starving even when they're so obese they can barely move! I have one of those (not the obese part, the food hound part) in Tango. He always acts like he's just positively STARVING and if he doesn't get food RIGHT THIS MINUTE A Horrible Thing will happen!

I just don't buy it. He's always the one tearing around the kitchen with his nose to the floor looking for crumbs. I treat my kitchen now the way I used to treat it when I had toddlers who would crawl around on the floor and put anything they found in their mouths. It's always swept or picked up. He would beg for food if he were allowed to be where we are when we're eating. He has to be put up when my grand kids are over, because he'd take the food right out of their little hands....as toddlers, their hands are at the perfect height.

Tango is at his ideal weight but acts like I'm starving the crap out of him. Jazz is also at her ideal weight, and though she's excited at meal time (because she's hungry by then) she doesn't go crazy like Tango does when there's food in her environment.

Some dogs are just like that. So don't please buy into your dog's little act. He is definitely not starving because he's definitely overweight.

I hope you're tenacious about getting some of that weight off of him. It's not good for him and is only going to lead to more problems as he ages.

Wow, thank you so much for such a thorough reply... I appreciate it! And you're absolutely right about all of it. I've been thinking recently about getting a blood panel. I hope they're not too expensive, but I know it needs to be done... Even just for reassurance that nothing is wrong.

He's on the last day switching over from his other food to Wellness Core Reduced Fat, so we'll see if it makes a difference. I read so many reviews about it and they all say promising things... I hope so. But, yeah, I think it's the only or one of the only grain-free reduced fat foods. The ingredient label has lots of fruits and vegetables after the meat, so hopefully it will keep him full a little better. He does chew his food, but he scarfs it. I think I might give a food ball a shot too, haha. The past couple days I have been trying to do at least something active with him. Saturday I ran around like a crazy person in the front yard with him for a while, ha... There's a steep slope in the yard down to the sidewalk, and he kept running up and down it, so he got a little workout! And there was lots of walking at the Mardi Gras parade today.

Also, I just thought about something... I go to my mom's house every Sunday with him, and the "bonies" are a big thing over there... Sometimes she overindulgences them with rawhide (or that other stuff like it?) chew sticks. I betcha that's putting a big damper on things. But he is so incredibly excited about it, I wouldn't know how to tell her or him that he can't have any! He ends up only eating one, but they're a little on the bigger side compared to the super skinny ones. Do you think one of those would be okay a week if I cut back a little on his food that day? If not, is there any alternative?

Thanks everybody else for the replies too! I really appreciate all the help.

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Rawhides are not a good idea because they have a tendency to block up the bowels. I'd recommend bully sticks, they're totally safe to eat and very nutritious, made out of bull pizzles. And of course nothing is better for a dog than a raw bone, yum!

I know how hard it is not to feed them all the time. Mine is the exact same way, he acts as though he never gets any food and I'm such a bad mummy and his little life is just over. He would eat himself to a coma if given the chance.

The way I handle it is I feed two small meals a day, we are working on manners and remaining calm with food, he lies down now before coming to eat. At the table he has been taught to keep his paws on the floor (NO pawing my chair, climbing legs, etc). He usually sits next to my feet quietly. Depending what I am eating I will offer the tiniest possible morsel to him. For example if I have pasta, he gets ONE elbow macaroni noodle for behaving while I eat. Not enough to add a lot of fat but enough to make him happy and me feel a bit less mean. He does not get access to bully sticks and other treats all the time, though this is mostly because we don't allow them on the carpet. He gets them when he is left, though he's usually too anxious to chew them, and when I take showers or am cleaning.

I walk him every day. Lately that has been decreased because I am chronically ill and had a flare up that had me in the ER, and walking increased pain, but it has been gradually dying down and I have been increasing my walks as I can. Now we walk most days, just to the park down the road. I let him off the lead and he runs and runs, and I sometimes try to jog with him if I am not hurting that day. I'll sometimes throw a stick for him as well. Twice a week we go on long hikes along the river, usually 3 miles or more. He loves those and they are a weekend event with my aunt and her hound.

On days we don't walk we play indoors. Does your boy like toys? If he does, set up a toy box for him with lots of his favorite types of toys. Douglas loves skineez and stuffed toys, and he also appreciates a rubber squeaky duck I got him. He will pull his toys out on his own and play by himself, but I always sit down with him at least once during the day and throw his toys and play tug of war with him. I can do this even when I am in pain, so it is a good solution for us, and it gets him up and moving and he moves around and runs in circles playing.

I also would suggest a blood panel, especially if upping exercise and the lower calorie food doesn't help. You could wait a week though and see if there's any change, might help in terms of not spending money you don't absolutely have to.
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He is pudgy, but oh so cute! He will be much happier without the added strain on his joints and it will help in the long run to lose the weight. It's great you are thinking about it now, rather than wait until he is obese. It will be easier to get rid of it on a young, pudgy dog than an older, huge dog.

Also, because of reasons, my five pound Douglas on this regimen. He actually needs to lose a couple of ounces but he will- it's the fault of a month of not being able to walk like I should because I was so sick. It's very hard to see in pictures but I notice..his belly is a bit different shape and a tiny bit bigger than I want, I like his waist nice and tucked in. Ribs aren't visible though.

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Here's a really good visual aid and other recommendations for you to categorize your dog's weight issue. It's way easier to see what we're talking about here in terms of "ideal weight" than it is to explain it.

How to Evaluate Your Dog's Weight - For Dummies

(Ignore the "for dummies" part...that's part of the title, not my addition )
Tango has less of a midsection tuck than Jazz, who is built very differently than Tango. Tango's shorter, more squat, stockier, and even though their exercise is the same, is more muscular. Jazz is leaner, more leggy, finer boned with less muscle. So visually they look somewhat different even though they are within a couple ounces of each other in weight.

Ditto what Moonfall said on the rawhides. If your folks MUST give him something, have them switch to a bully stick. Ideally they would get behind your dog's weight loss program and not give him anything at all. But if they won't keep themselves in check, they you need to compensate for what he's getting by reducing his food intake by the same caloric amount for that day. Also, instead of giving him some kind of chewy, maybe they could be convinced to give him slices of raw carrot or green beans....much less fattening and less calories.

Am I to understand that you are planning to feed him Wellness reduced fat, but haven't started yet? Your first post led me to believe that that's what he was on, but your last gave me the impression that you hadn't done the switch yet. Get him on that food right away if he's not on it yet.
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Wow I did not realize the ribs should show so much. Looks like Lola needs a diet. I feel them when I run my hands down her sides but I cannot see them like they show in the picture.
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