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Old 11-28-2012, 08:42 PM
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I know a very reputable Aussie breeder from my training club who sometimes breeds Homozygous merles(Merle to merle.), to get amazing coat colors. Nice lady, she wins in the ring too. Her dogs are fantastic. This year Westminster awarded Aussie BOB to a dog who's stud was a blind, deaf double merle. Westminster Rewards Cruelty I don't think it's a good thing to do, but a lot of breeder's, back yard, and top of the food chain, well respected CH CH CH winners, breed for select traits that are frequently not good for the health of the breed. Short noses, unnaturally angled bodies, freakishly large heads, traits that would never occur in nature. I have friends in the conformation world. Breed clubs decide what is okay, and you can follow the rules, or get out of the ring.
This is very true. I just often disagree with what the Breed Clubs decide, in many instances. The Pekingese is another great example of exaggerated traits gone wrong. I found my niche in the Rescue world rather than the Conformation world- though I have a high respect for those who are health testing and breeding properly. Sadly I don't feel many are doing so properly, so it's a huge grey area. There've been a few discussions here regarding breeding and merles and fortunately all have been very informative and respectful, which is why I love this forum. I admit my bitterness toward the merle gene is because I currently have a deaf/blind merle girl, Eden, who was part of an unscrupulous breeding program and was in fact pregnant when I adopted her. Seeing it first hand, I suppose is just harder, and leaves the bitter taste behind; though I absolutely adore the color. I just have not to this day found a reputable breeder who has merles in their program.
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:16 PM
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I was hoping to meet a few reputable conformation breeders who show merles on here! It's a bit off topic but since it came up... I love show people, god bless them, and our pure breed dogs wouldn't look the same without them. They develop a standard by which you can measure to a certainty, what a pure breed should and should not look like, act like, ect. All pure breed dogs are manufactured wholly by human intervention, for whatever purposes they were created, and not always to the benefit of the dogs. Why would you want long silky fur all over your body that needs to be constantly brushed, cleaned, groomed, and mats so easily that you will get sores all over your body if it's not properly cared for? Or that your body is deformed to the point where you can barely breath, can't mate naturally, and need C sections to bear young? All of these breeds are to standard. I came from the rescue world as well, and have seen animal abuse like you could not believe. I don't always agree with standards either, but it's not up to me. The merle color gene is pretty benign to me if the breeder is knowledgeable, responsible, focus on good health, and testing, and make sure ALL of their dogs have loving forever homes. Especially after dealing with more than one bull terrier(And one Cairn!) with rage seizures, a doberman and a mini aussie with wobblers, and a whole slew of other heart breaking genetic disorders that slowly kill, cripple, or shorten a dogs life. I would take the rare cases of blind/ and or deaf dog that comes from irresponsible breeding(You would know at birth btw. It doesn't come up later.), that can still have a good life any day. Maybe because I have trained blind and deaf dogs that had no idea what they were missing, and were just as capable of love. I don't condone merle to merle btw, and love my show friends, but I do think you need to have a love of your breed, but a little bit of a god complex to be a conformation breeder. No disrespect intended, and just in my humble opinion.
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This is very true. I just often disagree with what the Breed Clubs decide, in many instances. The Pekingese is another great example of exaggerated traits gone wrong. I found my niche in the Rescue world rather than the Conformation world- though I have a high respect for those who are health testing and breeding properly. Sadly I don't feel many are doing so properly, so it's a huge grey area. There've been a few discussions here regarding breeding and merles and fortunately all have been very informative and respectful, which is why I love this forum. I admit my bitterness toward the merle gene is because I currently have a deaf/blind merle girl, Eden, who was part of an unscrupulous breeding program and was in fact pregnant when I adopted her. Seeing it first hand, I suppose is just harder, and leaves the bitter taste behind; though I absolutely adore the color. I just have not to this day found a reputable breeder who has merles in their program.
I'm sorry about your dog. I looked at your pictures and she is lovely btw. She is lucky you got her out of what sounds like a very bad situation.
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There are a some here who show and breed. There are also a number here with merle pattern Chis. I am not aware of any here who breed or show merles.
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I know a very reputable Aussie breeder from my training club who sometimes breeds Homozygous merles(Merle to merle.), to get amazing coat colors.
I don't think you can use the words reputable and breeding homozygous merles in the same sentence. No reputable breeder would breed two merles together. That is exactly what the article that you posted was all about. The horror of what breeding two merle collies produced, a blind and deaf stud dog, that was then used to produce a ton of merle collies, just because every solid color dam you breed to him will produce 100% merle puppies. Disgusting. It was even admitted that he had bad movement and produced pups with bad movement and poor conformation. I would never, ever purchase a dog from a breeder that produced a double merle dog or used one as a stud.

I work in border collie resuce and we have had several double merle female pups come through rescue as idiot breeders try to produce a double merle male to use as a stud dog. To see the deformed eyes, knowing they are usually deaf and many times have other internal abnormalities; how can breeders knowingly produce that just to make a buck or to produce a "pretty coat"?

I personally love the merle pattern. I own a red merle border collie that will be bred this spring to a SOLID black and white stud. Not white factored, not merle, not cryptic merle, but solid. She is cerf eye tested and has all other health tests done as has the male. Breeding is a huge undertaking and breeding merles is even more of a responsiblility. If you want the merle pattern breed a merle to a solid and understand that you will only get statistically 50% merle pups.

The show world is a different world. I show my border collies and chihuahua in agility and obedience and have done some conformation with friends dogs and I tell you, the agility world is much nicer. The politics and such in the conformation world are crazy! It's not always about what dog is the best dog of the day, but rather about who is handling, what they are wearing, etc. Plus conformation has, IMHO, contributed to the downfall of more breeds than I care to count. Such as the crippled GSD, bulldogs and pekes that can't breathe and can barely walk and the list goes on.

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I find breeders that breed Merle's to be irresponsible, based on the health problems associated.

Here's some info about Merle's and double Merle's. Aussies have the biggest problem with Merle's, so the second website is from an Aussie website.

http://www.picassochis.com/merles.htm

http://www.lethalwhites.com/doublemerle.html



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I love the merles colors and think they are some of the most beautiful animals around especially Kat's little Eden and LS's cryptic merle Chanel. I am in aww whenever I see pictures of these two stunning chis. Personally I would not ever get a merle though unless I rescued it from a shelter.
I am not saying every merle breeder out there is irresponsible but unfortunately a lot of them are which makes me take the decision not to buy from any breeder that does merles. This is just my personal opinion though. I just do not like the idea that too many merle breeders are taking and doing merle on merle breeding to increase their profits and the dogs are the ones suffering. I am not saying that the deformed dogs know any different or realize that they have anything wrong with them but I feel breeders should be trying to make sure the dogs are healthy and in my opinion breeding merles is not doing that for a lot of breeders.
I have recently been looking for a new chi and found a breeder that seemed to be a reputable breeder but said she specialized in merles. She had some beautiful merles and I loved the looks of one of them but I could not bring myself to buy it because she said she specialized in merles.
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I love my merle chi. His dad is a CH and his mother was CH sired, with lots of CH in the lines. Mine is very pretty, I have no idea if he is built for conformation. I don't really care right now, but anyway I went to a local show and saw a few very nice long and short hair merle colored chis. None of them did very well in the ring. Anyone have any experience showing merle chihuahuas, or know anyone who does with any success? Or experiences good or bad? I would love to hear more about, and see more photos of champions with this beautiful coat color/mutation.
Here's a lovely dose of merle champions.
Napoleon went to the Westminster and he's my favorite, such a cutie.
AKC Merle Chihuahua Champions of Record & Champion Pointed | Fairview, PA 16415
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