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Old 12-07-2012, 01:03 AM
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If I remember it right you got Rocky, then some time later got Benji and they are brothers from the same litter??? I am just a little curious about that. Do you think they remembered each other? And how long was it? Did I even get the story right?
Also I know several people who have litter mates that are so attached that they have a lot of trouble doing stuff with them alone. Do you think those sorts of problems are just a socalization issue with puppies, or are litter mates actually attached to each other in some other way because they spent such critical time in their lives with oneanother. I have a friend with a dog who does play dates with his sister and they seem to get along perticularly well and play like they don't play with other dogs but on the other hand that can be explained by them being the same breed, age and just getting along really well.
So thoughts? I am curious because you are the only person I know with brother dogs you got at different times in their lives.
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Old 12-07-2012, 03:13 AM
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If I remember it right you got Rocky, then some time later got Benji and they are brothers from the same litter??? I am just a little curious about that. Do you think they remembered each other? And how long was it? Did I even get the story right?
Also I know several people who have litter mates that are so attached that they have a lot of trouble doing stuff with them alone. Do you think those sorts of problems are just a socalization issue with puppies, or are litter mates actually attached to each other in some other way because they spent such critical time in their lives with oneanother. I have a friend with a dog who does play dates with his sister and they seem to get along perticularly well and play like they don't play with other dogs but on the other hand that can be explained by them being the same breed, age and just getting along really well.
So thoughts? I am curious because you are the only person I know with brother dogs you got at different times in their lives.

Annie, you are correct I got Rocky first, then about 4 months later got Benji.
They are litter mates that were sold to two different homes originally. The
way we found out they were brothers is by comparing their puppy group
pictures and puppy miller info. These are the pictures...Rocky is on the left
and Benji on the right.






As for remembering each other, I think they did. BUT at the time that they
were reunited they were 6 months, just hit sexual maturity, both intact,
and Benji had serious aggression issues amongst other things. So the first
few months were pure hell to say the least, I worked with them 24/7,
there was a lot of fighting, even after they were neutered. Keep in mind
they are also Basenjis, one of the most difficult breeds to tame & train.
It took a while before they learned to get along, but once they did they
were inseparable. To the point where they did every single thing together,
their schedules were identical. They love each other so much now, and
yes they have a bond like no other, they have their own way of playing,
they don't like being separated, but they do have two complete separate
personalities. As you know hubby & I provide insane amount of mental
and physical stimulation, and this is our secret to good Basenjis. Even
though they came from troubled pasts, and they are the notorious
untrainable breed, you would not believe it if you met them, they are
so calm and respectful now. They have been socialized to the max,
beyond anything I ever had to do for any other dog, and still today
when they are almost 4 years old I have to keep it up, with this breed
the training and socializing never stops. They are at the point where
they will play with other dogs, but get bored after 30 minutes and run
off playing together. They stick up for one another. Once Benji was
being attacked by a Shepherd and Rocky came running from across
the field to back him up. They can be separated, but not for long,
they do cry for one another, no amount of socializing or training could
take that away. When one goes to the vet, the other won't eat or sleep
while he's gone and once he returns he'll inspect him all over and not leave
his side. They have a bond, they thrive in each other's company.

I don't recommend getting litter mates, unless it's in an easy going breed
like Chis for example, they are so easy to train compared to many other
breeds I don't think having siblings would cause too many problems. But
if you are looking into stubborn, aloof, wild breeds then it's best to get the
pups at different times, let's say a year apart...it'll make things a lot easier.


Here are my boys...as you can see they are joined at the hip...which is
very rare for Basenjis because they are incredibly independent, and are
often compared to cats in that aspect.






















I know you didn't ask for pictures, but I think pictures speak louder than words...

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Old 12-07-2012, 03:14 AM
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These are just random shots I found quickly, I have better ones even more
"brotherly", but I'm sure you get the idea. They are best buds.
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My girls are littermates. They were only separated for about 3/4 weeks. I got Bella first, way too young, at about 7 weeks... then Izzie 3 weeks later. But she may have been in her separate home for longer. They are super attached now. I am not sure if they remembered each other. I'll attach a video I took of them when we first got Izzie home. Izzie just kept attacking her and Bella wasn't sure what was goin on at first.

Watching that video makes me miss that puppy stage. They were soooo cute and tiny! My lil 1.5 lb Izzie and 2.5 lb Bella!

They are VERY close and if one gets accidently shut in another room, the other knows it and whines for her. I have had to take Izzie to quite a few training sessions without Bella... that is the only time they have been separated. Izzie does just fine and acts like nothing is wrong, but Bella is distraught when we get home. They aren't always attached to each other's hip at all. They used to be as puppies you would always find them cuddled up with each other, but now not so much. They play and groom each other all the time. Right now Bella is laying on the bed by me, she ALWAYS has to be by me, and Izzie is in her nice comfy crate in our closet. She is a bit of a loner sometimes, lol. They definitely don't play with any other dogs like they do each other, but that could be because they have been raised together.
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First of all your boys are just BEAUTIFUL- I could look at pictures of them all day. Second of all thanks! That is really interesting about their relationship. I never would want siblings on purpose, and certainly would not go out and adopt two puppies at the same time (two puppies at once would be like torture, cute, cuddly torture ). Then make the siblings Basenjis and oy! You must have had your hands full.
I understand why you did it though. If one of my dog's litter mates needed help I would do it. Family is family in my book. It is such a tough thing fostering dogs and doing dog rescue, a lot of dogs come through my house and then go but I just think family is different. If I knew a rescue dog was related to mine it just makes everything a little different, even if I didn't want a dog right then. Or in your case I am sure you didn't imagine two adolescent boys of one of the most wild breeds short of actual hybrids living in your house! You are a good one LS!

Back on topic though- if anyone asks me if they should adopt siblings I will probably still caution against it.
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My girls are littermates. They were only separated for about 3/4 weeks. I got Bella first, way too young, at about 7 weeks... then Izzie 3 weeks later. But she may have been in her separate home for longer. They are super attached now. I am not sure if they remembered each other. I'll attach a video I took of them when we first got Izzie home. Izzie just kept attacking her and Bella wasn't sure what was goin on at first.
Sooooooo adorable!!! And you are a brave person for raising two puppies at once, braver than me.
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First of all your boys are just BEAUTIFUL- I could look at pictures of them all day. Second of all thanks! That is really interesting about their relationship. I never would want siblings on purpose, and certainly would not go out and adopt two puppies at the same time (two puppies at once would be like torture, cute, cuddly torture ). Then make the siblings Basenjis and oy! You must have had your hands full.
I understand why you did it though. If one of my dog's litter mates needed help I would do it. Family is family in my book. It is such a tough thing fostering dogs and doing dog rescue, a lot of dogs come through my house and then go but I just think family is different. If I knew a rescue dog was related to mine it just makes everything a little different, even if I didn't want a dog right then. Or in your case I am sure you didn't imagine two adolescent boys of one of the most wild breeds short of actual hybrids living in your house! You are a good one LS!

Back on topic though- if anyone asks me if they should adopt siblings I will probably still caution against it.


You got it! Exactly, family is family...this is what I said when it came to Benji.
He had issues, and we were not at all planning on having another dog, we
had 2 at the time, but he's family, I couldn't turn him down and I couldn't let
him go. It was very challenging, mostly because of his behavioral and mental
challenges, but I didn't care, he needed me. To be honest at one point even
hubby had enough, Benji was far too aggressive and high maintenance, hubby
even went as far as saying "it's me or the dog"...this is after several bite
wounds. I said "Go". I'm not getting rid of my dog, I believed firmly that he
could and would improve, I worked my butt off, I was told by literally
everyone that he should be put down and he'll never change, it'll never work,
and despite everything he not only changed, he blossomed into THE most
gentle, loving dog, that would not harm a new born kitten(he actually helped
me raise several rescue litters). Aggression in a dog should not mean instant
death, you have to find the cause, you have to work at it, you have to give
your dog a chance. Benji was the way he was at no fault of his own. Looking
back at it now it's so hard to believe, even hubby gets teary eyes when I tell
him at one point he wanted Benji gone...he feels so bad, but he was at his
limit, he was actually scared of him, he now thanks me for doing what I did for
Benji, because hubby can't see life without him, he would literally take a bullet
for our dogs.

What made you wonder about siblings to begin with? Are you considering
adopting one of your pups' siblings?(I'm just guessing here) Or just random
curiosity?
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Awww Bella & Izzy are so cute! I miss them.
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