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Old 02-20-2013, 06:32 PM
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So I came home at lunch to feed my furbabies their lunch. I took two leg pieces from a Cornish hen to feed them today. I cut the meat off and gave it to them since they have a had time tearing it off. Them I handed them each the leg bone, but little one chewed on it for a little bit with no progress, so I tried to take it from her, and swallowed it whole!!! Please tell me this is okay! Will her body digest the bone?? Or is it gonna try to poop it out? I'm scared. She didn't choke or anything, but I don't want her pooping out pieces of bone
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She will be fine. No worries. It will digest. She may have hard, chalky poop a couple of times as she processes it. If she's got it down (and it didn't hang up on the way down), then her body will take care of it.

In the future, give the legs WHOLE. Or.... bash it up with a hammer until floppy. Don't feed bare bone. Always feed chunks of meat with bone wrapped up inside. As for them having a hard time tearing the meat off, they will learn. It is a learning curve. You can ribbon the meat if you want, take scissors and slice into the meat so there's ribbons hanging off and that will help them have something to grab ahold of.

Take a deep breath. She will be fine.
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Thank you! I was wondering how often do you feed the bone. Is one meal 2 time a week enough? Or should I be feeding it every so many meals?
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I do a bony meal about every 3rd or 4th meal. The way I do it is pretty simple. I cut up a one pound cornish hen into about 8 chunks of skin/meat/bone. Throw it in the freezer. So each chunk is about 2 ounces which is a meal. I also cut up a tray of chicken wings. We like them, so I save the little drumstick and the middle section for us and put all the chicken wing tips in the freezer.

I do red meat meals in between the cornish hen chunk meals. Beef, pork, bison, venison, lamb. That is the bulk of his diet. He does occasionally get chicken meat, but not often, as red meat is much more nutrient dense than poultry.

About once a week I do a larger more complicated meal of a beef or pork rib or pork neck section. Sometimes these are two meals, depending on the size. Brody likes to work all the meat off the rib and then gnaw on the ends of the bones. Great teeth cleaners and recreational chewing. I don't let him finish the whole thing, way too much bone. But he generally can spend an hour or so just gnawing away and polishing those teeth. Then I pick the stripped bone and throw it out.

On the weekend, I do 2 meals that contain organs, along with a chicken wing tip. Usually beef or bison liver and beef kidney. Occasionally venison liver and kidney if I can get it. Some people prefer to do organs throughout the week. Its just easier for me to remember to do them on the weekends. He has worked up to that. A new to raw dog might have loose stools if an organ meal is given all at once.

Throughout the week if I see a looser stool, I just throw him a chicken wing tip. Chomp chomp and its down the hatch and it firms the stool right up so we don't get into that downward spiral of loose stools, which can make them feel puny and then they don't want to eat, etc. I don't stress over every stool... what goes in must come out and they aren't going to be like kibble stools which are the same each time because you are feeding the same recipe. With raw, there might be a lighter colored stool, or a darker one (esp after organs). If I see a crumbly hard whitish stool that indictates too much bone and he gets several meat meals in a row with no bone when I see that. It is a case of knowing your dog and making adjustments.

Just remember to look at the big picture... 80% meat (most of it red meat), 10% bone, 10% organs with 5% liver and 5% kidney or other secreting organ.

If I feel like doing a novelty meal, I have done whole quail, whole rabbits, and mice. These don't go over very well here. Brody is not a fan. But just throwing that out there as variety is great. Try to vary the age of the meat as well... calf liver instead of beef liver for instance. Or lamb vs mutton. Or a chick versus a full grown quail.

Eggs can be thrown in once in awhile too if you like. They are a meal. Save for experienced raw eaters as they can cause loose stools. That's where those chicken wing tips come in handy.

Oh, and if your dogs like fish - oily fish is great for them. Salmon (Atlantic only, not pacific northwest), mackerel, smelt, sardines. Or supplement with fish oil.

Oops... didn't mean to write a book.
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THANK YOU SOO MUCH!! When I have questions about raw, I also hope for your response. You for sure cleared a few question up for me. I do have 2 questions. When you feed organs on the weekend, how many ounces do you feed at a time? Also, do you know if they sell just wingtips??
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I do a little less than one ounce of liver and kidney along with a chicken wing tip in place of a regular meal on the weekends.

To break if down... he weighs about 5 pounds. He eats an average of 4 ounces a day. Over the course of a week, that is 28 ounces. So 10% of that would be 2.8 ounces of organs needed. Not much, but it is a crucial part of the diet. I don't weigh and measure for accuracy, but a regular sized ice cube is about an ounce. So he gets a little more than that in organs split into two meals. See? Easy.

I have never seen just wingtips. It's fine to feed the little drumstick and middle section. One of those would be a meal. Follow with meaty meals and you will be spot on the 10% bone requirement.

Also, if you are cutting up a chicken for your family, just get out some scissors and cut out the ribs and also the backbone. You can feed that as a bony meal as well with some extra meat on the side. If you are worried about them gulping or swallowing the bone whole then bash with a hammer or cut with scissors into teensy bits. No, they won't get the chewing or teeth cleaning benefits, but it might ease your mind.
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I have another question for you... What do you think about giving ziwipeak for a meal in the morning, and then feeding raw meals for dinner. Every so many raw meals being a boney meal, and giving organs as well.
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I have another question for you... What do you think about giving ziwipeak for a meal in the morning, and then feeding raw meals for dinner. Every so many raw meals being a boney meal, and giving organs as well.
I actually think that is an EXCELLENT plan. I know others who do the same. I even do that sometimes when things get crazy or I forget to thaw something. I always keep a bag of ZiwiPeak around.

You probably don't need to do the bony meals if you are doing ZP because processed diets, yes even raw diets, contain more than enough calcium. Typically 150% of the required amount. So there's no worries on calcium.

You can still do the recreational meaty bones for jaw and teeth health. Organs are icing on the cake. They are full of nutrients and excellent.
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