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Old 04-07-2014, 03:34 PM
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I came across this post I thought I would share it since I know some feed this to their pups - I use it as treats for my pups and my cat was eating it on a daily basis. Their Freeze Dried formulas are crazy high in ash - makes me sad as my cat loves their foods but I do not feel comfortable feeding anything this high in ash

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Ash (%)
Stella’s Super Beef, FR
3.56
Stella’s Super Beef, FD
11.0
Chewy’s Chicken, FR
3.32
Chewy’s Chicken, FD
16.5
Duck Duck Goose, FR
3.93
Duck Duck Goose, FD
10.8
Dandy Lamb, FR
3.93
Dandy Lamb, FD
10.4
Surf ‘N Turf, FR
4.01
Surf ‘N Turf, FD
11.9
Simply Venison, FR
2.15
Simply Venison, FD
6.9
Absolutely Rabbit, FR
4.07
Absolutely Rabbit, FD
12.1
Phenomenal Pheasant, FR
5.10
Phenomenal Pheasant, FD
14.8

FD = Freeze Dried
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Top 10 Myths About Pet Food and Nutrition
Have a read of myth #8, it explains about ash levels in cat foods.
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It worries me because from my understanding the ash levels can show the quality of proteins and amount of bone being used in the food. I have always been told even by vets that it's best to stay below 8% ash. Their FD chicken is at 16%, that is high. Dogs only need 2% in their diet.
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I read this and decided to compare the ash content in Primal as compared to Stella & Chewy. I'm currently feeding Primal, but have fed S & C in the past and have no problem with it except it is more expensive than Primal and I'm very pleased with Primal for less $$. I could not find the ash content on Primal, so I looked on S & C--could not find it there either. I called Stella & Chewy to ask them about the ash content. They told me they do not post it, but do provide it if you ask and if I will provide which product I am interested in they will be happy to provide me the ash content. I asked for the freeze dried lamb. The representative told me something interesting then. She told me if I were feeding it dry the ash content was significantly higher (10% something I can't remember), but if I rehydrate with water it reduces the ash content to 3% (actually 3 something I can't remember and didn't write down). This makes a big difference!! She also told me never to use HOT water to rehydrate. Use cold or warm water.

Some people may feed freeze dried without rehydrating. I do not. Lulu is not a big water drinker, so I take every possible opportunity to get water down her. The representative said it is OK to feed freeze dried without rehydrating if your dog is a water-drinker, but be sure they are getting adequate water.
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That's good to know My super picky kitty only eats it dry, she won't touch it once I hydrate it just like she won't touch canned food no matter what I try. My other cat only eats canned which I know is much better for them.
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Why Is There Ash in Your Dog's Food?
This explains a little about what ash in dog food actually is. I think Tina has a point about rehydrating, once you add the missing water back in it brings the ash % back to what it should be.
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I just want to say as the original poster on that forum, adding water to the meal does NOT change the ash content of the food. This is the whole reason we convert canned foods to dry matter basis.

A canned food that has 3% ash and 80% moisture has 15% ash on a dry matter basis. Yikes. The ash content in kibble is usually pretty much the same when you convert it to DM as there is hardly any moisture. So this 3% ash wet food is comparable to a kibble with 15% ash. Not acceptable in my opinion.

Basically, the dry meal of chicken S&C has 16% ash. Add water and technically 16% of the meal is of course not going to be ash because you added a bunch of water weight. This doesn't change the amount of ash in that patty. This is why we calculate what's in food without the water, water adds nothing but weight not nutrients... You want to know what's in the food not the water.
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Just as a little example, I'll compare a few different types of food. All using dry matter basis to keep it fair.

S&C chicken 16% ash
Farmina Chicken Ancestral Grain dry food 7.5% ash
Petkind That's it wet food 4.76% ash

As I said, all of these are on a dry matter basis to make it fair, even the wet food I chose. The numbers don't lie and clearly show S&C has an extreme amount of ash. This basically shows they are using a ton of bone and not much muscle meat. I'm not trying to discourage anyone from feeding it. I only made the post because I know a lot of people on that forum worry about ash, as do I. Especially for dogs with kidney problems or UTIs. And I used to feed it so it really ticked me off to know I was paying that high of price for a load of ash...
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