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Okay, so after some detective work and vet visits, I'm pretty sure Odie has a food intolerance. She seems to do well on duck so she's going to be on just duck for a month to see how it goes and then we can think about adding another protein. Thankfully we have a bag of Primal duck on hand and she goes crazy for it and the online store (the only one in Canada that carries Primal if you can believe that) that we just ordered a box full of Primal from is letting us send some of our unopened bags back to exchange for the duck formula. Odie still eats three meals a day, so I'd like to add something else to add some variety. She also still throws up bile in the mornings if she doesn't snack during the night, so I also would like to find a kibble or something that is okay staying out during the night for her to graze on. However, I'm having trouble finding anything.

I spent my Saturday night researching foods and the problem is that a lot of the limited ingredient foods aren't as good quality as the foods she used to eat. I'm still going to see if I can find some raw duck because I'm worried about her teeth since we've had to stop chicken necks, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to. Anyway, these are the foods that I found that have less questionable ingredients than others. What do you think?

Wellness Simple (Canned) - 4 stars

Ingredients: Duck, Oatmeal, Peas, Ground Rice, Potato Protein, Tomato Pomace, Canola Oil (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols), Ground Flaxseed, Dicalcium Phosphate, Calcium Carbonate, Natural Duck Flavor, Chicory Root Extract, Vitamins [Vitamin E Supplement, Beta-Carotene, Niacin, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin A Supplement, Riboflavin, Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), Biotin, Folic Acid], Minerals [Zinc Proteinate, Zinc Sulfate, Iron Proteinate, Ferrous Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Copper Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Manganese Sulfate, Sodium Selenite, Calcium Iodate], Choline Chloride, Mixed Tocopherols added to preserve freshness, Taurine, Dried Lactobacillus plantarum Fermentation Product, Dried Enterococcus faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus casei Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Product, Rosemary Extract, Green Tea Extract.

Nature's Variety Instinct Limited Ingredient Duck (Canned) - 4 stars

Ingredients: Duck Meal, Tapioca, Peas, Canola Oil (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid), Natural Flavor, Montmorillonite Clay, Coconut Oil, Potassium Chloride, Salt, Vitamins (Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin Supplement, d-Calcium Panthothenate, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin Supplement, Folic Acid, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement), Minerals (Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Sodium Selenite), Choline Chloride, Green Tea Extract, Rosemary Extract.

Acana Duck & Bartlett Pear (Kibble) - 4 stars

Ingredients: Duck meal, deboned duck, green lentils, red lentils, duck liver, pears, duck fat, green peas, yellow peas, algae, garbanzo beans, pumpkin, carrots, freeze-dried duck liver, kelp, chicory root, ginger root, peppermint leaf, lemon balm, mixed tocopherols (preservative), dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product.
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Oh and there is also this Canadian one that isn't on dog food advisor but I saw in a store near me. It is definitely limited in ingredients, that's for sure! Here's the link in case anyone is interested.

Pet Kind Duck

Ingredients: Duck, Water, Quinoa, Açai Berry
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Hope that you find something that will work well for her!

She sounds like Hope. Hope cannot have chicken nor other warm proteins. She can only have cool proteins. Also NO grain nor dairy.

She gets a blend of Primal Duck and S&C Rabbit twice a day. She has been colitis episode free for over a year! The worst thing she has now is some tear staining. I can certainly live with that!

I know how frustrating it can be to deal with food and digestive issues. I sure wish the best for you as you find something that will work for her.
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here is a suggestion... if you can, I would feed the first meal of the day alittle earlier than you usually do, and the last meal of the evening alittle later than you usually do and eliminate the other food that you want to add. then, just observe and see if she's still throwing up bile . maybe you need to increase her food amount of the primal duck for the last meal, so, I would try that also...

I would try not to add a second food for variety just yet. because, like the Vet told you ... she is recommending a limited ingredient diet and if you add another food even if it is the same protein, there will be a lot more ingredients that are added to her diet and I would think it would be best to keep it limited ingredients for now at least.

good luck !!! I hope you can figure this out soon !!!

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Some of the better kibbles are: Acana, Orijen, Blue Buffalo grain free,Ziwi Peak-premade raw, Wysong epigean, and some of the California Naturals are limited ingredients.
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Hope that you find something that will work well for her!

She sounds like Hope. Hope cannot have chicken nor other warm proteins. She can only have cool proteins. Also NO grain nor dairy.

She gets a blend of Primal Duck and S&C Rabbit twice a day. She has been colitis episode free for over a year! The worst thing she has now is some tear staining. I can certainly live with that!

I know how frustrating it can be to deal with food and digestive issues. I sure wish the best for you as you find something that will work for her.
Thanks Karen! It really is frustrating, but I'm glad that we're at least on the path to hopefully figuring things out. I'll look into ordering the S&C Rabbit when it comes time to add another protein. It's reassuring to hear that Hope is now doing great!

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here is a suggestion... if you can, I would feed the first meal of the day alittle earlier than you usually do, and the last meal of the evening alittle later than you usually do and eliminate the other food that you want to add. then, just observe and see if she's still throwing up bile . maybe you need to increase her food amount of the primal duck for the last meal, so, I would try that also...

I would try not to add a second food for variety just yet. because, like the Vet told you ... she is recommending a limited ingredient diet and if you add another food even if it is the same protein, there will be a lot more ingredients that are added to her diet and I would think it would be best to keep it limited ingredients for now at least.

good luck !!! I hope you can figure this out soon !!!

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Elaine, that is good advice! You're probably right that I'm jumping the gun here. I think I'm just so used to offering her such a variety that I have a little anxiety about just feeding one thing! Haha. I will send back the other Primal formulas so hopefully the new bags will get here before we run out. I do feed her as soon as I wake up and make sure she has something right before bed, but she usually will wake up around 3-ish am to snack. Maybe I could leave 1/4 of a block of dry primal for her so it wouldn't go bad? I don't measure the amounts I give her, I feed her as much as she wants and she seems to self-regulate.

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Some of the better kibbles are: Acana, Orijen, Blue Buffalo grain free,Ziwi Peak-premade raw, Wysong epigean, and some of the California Naturals are limited ingredients.
Thanks Susan. She can't have Ziwi and we were feeding Acana before but the problem is all the ingredients. I will look into the others for the future.
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If you can get them raw duck necks are very popular with my lot. I can also get duck wings, and duck carcasses so definitely worth checking out any raw suppliers locally.
I would stick with just one food for now. I know it goes against your instinct to feed a wide variety, but it won't hurt because it is only for a few weeks, you really need to pin down what she isn't tolerating. I would just feed the primal for now, same variety at every meal. If you can get the freeze dried version you could leave that out at night, or something like the Orijen treats in the same protein. Plain dried meat would probably be best if you can get it.
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What the heck is a 'warm' protein and a 'cool' protein?
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