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Old 07-15-2014, 01:18 PM
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The last month and a half has been rough!!! LOL I have checked things out on here everyday but truly haven't had the brain power to "chime in" like I usually do. If you remember Lulu was experiencing weight loss. I took her urine to the vet and it was A-OK. She is not showing any kinds of signs of illness (we just know when something is not right with them). I had an appointment with the vet to have a full panel of bloodwork done on her anyway, but I was so sick I couldn't keep the appointment. **Sidenote: Jake had his first cold at 18 months old and he has been sick TWICE in one month--two different illnesses, so it's not like he just didn't get over the first one!

Anyway, I have upped Lulu's feeding for two weeks now to 4 nuggets of Primal a day! They are spread out over morning, afternoon, and night. It is any combination of 1, 1 1/2, or 2 nugget per meal at the morning and afternoon and 1 nugget at night, but it totals 3 1/2 to 4 by the end of the day. She has put on a tiny bit of weight--2-3 ozs. I just don't understand it. Am I making a big deal out of this? I surely don't mind feeding her 4 nuggets everyday til the end of time, but when the bag advises 1 per meal twice daily, and that's what most everyone else that feeds only Primal seems to do, I just wonder what's up with Lulu?!

I fed Ziwi Peak solely for years--that's no comparison. I didn't feed Stella & Chewy's enough to compare, and I don't feel you can compare kibble. I'm just at a loss and would like anyone's opinion. Thanks!
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Add some grain/starch to her diet. I know everyone is low carb/anti-grain these days, but it really does the job nicely. My poodle went from stick-thin on high protein/fat food to nicely muscled on a food with grains in it.

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I find the feeding guidelines for pre-made raw to be on the low side. Most raw diets advise 2-3% of bodyweight for an adult dog, but all mine are on around 5%, twice what they suggest. Toy dogs have higher metabolisms than larger breeds, but the raw manufacturers don't seem to take this into account. So I use the guidelines as a starting place but adjust the amount according to the condition of the dog. I have never used the Primal patties (we can't get them in the UK) but weigh them and see what percentage of her weight you are feeding.
Is she actually underweight now, or has she just dropped to a lean raw fed weight?
I am so glad there is nothing wrong with Lulu, that is great news.
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BG can eat me out of house and home. Her metabolism is just crazy and she never gains weight! She is also not as active as Sonny but poor Sonny so much as looks at food and I swear he gains an ounce and he runs non stop with Gibbs.

I guess they are like humans. Each has their own metabolism.
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Thank you all sooooooo much for your replies!!! I really think Lulu has always been on the heavy side of normal if that makes sense, and now she is slimming up but it looks too slim to me. Help me out, Stella, because I just have such a mental block to numbers. Lulu has always weighed 5 lbs 10 ozs to 6 lbs when on the heavy side. Primal freeze dried nuggets say it takes 3 nuggets to make 1 oz. I don't know how to come up with 3% of her pounds because I just can't read the result. Help.
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It is easier to work out percentages if you convert into kg/grams first, 5lb 10oz is 2.55kg. So 1% of that is 25.5g, therefore 2% is 51g and 3% is 76.5g. An ounce is 28g, so if feeding at the lower end of the recommended amount, 2% of her bodyweight, she needs at least 51g a day which is 1.8oz.
Where it gets complicated (if you are still following lol) is that would be the rehydrated amount, as fresh raw meat is about 70-80% water. Are you weighing it rehydrated?

Do you have a recent pic of Lulu straight on from the side? You should be able to feel her ribs but not see them. They should be covered with flesh, but not to the point that you have to really press to find them.
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Thank you so much, Stella!! My dad also helped me. I knew there was conversion to be done which is where I am lost with math. He also told me we had to allow for rehydration because we add water to the freeze dried, and I also add a bit of water to the frozen. I will upload pics this evening after Jake goes home and we finish with my mom's bday dinner. Please check back to see them as I really want to know what you think of her appearance. Thanks!
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Are you feeding the duck? I've noticed that when I feed the duck, she still seems hungry, so I've been adding chunks of raw meat to it or other things. I don't understand why the duck is not filling, but maybe because its a different protein that's lighter than the normal beef if that makes sense. Do you feed Primal only? I think it's good to give our babies variety throughout the day. I do beef in the morning and duck or rabbit at night. Don't know if this makes a difference; but it seems to with Midgie.
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