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A photo will be on its way. While I would like to go all raw, I have no idea how to find the organ and bone necessary for a purely raw diet here in Sweden. I've never seen more than chicken/beef liver in our grocery stores, neither of which I'm supposed to be feeding her now.



Ah, okay. After some digging I did find the article. It's definitely something to think about and brings up some very interesting points. She's been eating mostly Acana lamb and raw beef or lamb, so that's a lot from the hot section! I would prefer to stick with the vet's assignment of moose/reindeer (which does count as venison) for the following month while we wait for the test results to see if it makes any difference, but if not then I will be eager to discuss this approach with her, or rather, have my SO attempt to translate this discussion with her. She didn't say anything about duck/rabbit being against "the rules," however. It's something we can ask about when we get in contact with her. She's only in our clinic once a week so my SO has to call the clinic and ask if they have her email or personal contact information to get in contact sooner.
My two REFUSE to eat raw organs that is why I do a freeze dried (Primal or S&C) that has everything in it for breakfast and I will get pre mixed raw (Oma's Pride, S&C, Primal) (pre mix they will only eat birds Chicken, Turkey, Pheasant, Duck etc) or from a butcher (beef venison etc) for dinner. That way they still get the needed organ in the freeze dried yet the benefit of raw too.
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The one thing I found with vets and allergies is they want to go to a protein that the animal does not normally eat and it always seems to be LAmb I guess because it's more readily available then say, kangeroo. I refused to believe that the lamb was doing any harm for a few years but could not figure out why I couldn't seem to find any relief for Midgie. It wasn't until I took her off the lamb that the relief started. My point is, that if you are relying on vet's professional decisions, you will find that this prolongs the animals agony. You, as the mommy, knows what's best for Gemma and has first hand knowledge of what Gemma tolerates well and what she does not. The vet isn't there with you on a daily basis to see what triggers and what doesn't. Blood test may be accurated today for what triggers Gemma, but tomorrow those triggers could have changed, so IMO I wouldn't bother wasting money on blood test for allergies. Immunotherapy does not work either and they'll tell you that only 5% of animal have successful results, but we don't actually know if that's from the shots. Huly always post some excellent articles when it comes to allergies that I copy them and refer to them often if I need to.
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this was the thread that Jesuschick posted that had info on warm and cool protiens . I had never heard of this before and found it very interesting and helpful

https://www.chihuahua-people.com/chih...e-tummies.html


Christie also posts excellent info all the time !!!
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No, the article Christie posted came from a magazines and goes into great detail about every protein and how it affects the body where allergies are concerned. I hope Christie remembers which article I'm talking about and can find her post. I'll look again.
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oh, ok...I never read that one. i'd love to read it !
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ok here it is
https://www.chihuahua-people.com/chih...nergetics.html

Please stickie this as this is very helpful with more and more chis having allergy problems. Make sure you copy this and keep it at hand.
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hi Caitlin ! its so nice to see you here again. I had wondered where you went.... sorry to here that Gemma has itchy skin problems. .

I think I did read an article similar to what Lisa is talking about and also found it very helpful, and I am pretty sure it was posted by Jesuschick ( maybe it is different, i'll have to try to find the one posted by Huly too )
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Here is the article posted by Huly:
Helping Allergies In Dogs With Food Energetics | Dogs Naturally Magazine

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My two REFUSE to eat raw organs that is why I do a freeze dried (Primal or S&C) that has everything in it for breakfast and I will get pre mixed raw (Oma's Pride, S&C, Primal) (pre mix they will only eat birds Chicken, Turkey, Pheasant, Duck etc) or from a butcher (beef venison etc) for dinner. That way they still get the needed organ in the freeze dried yet the benefit of raw too.
That is what I would like to do, since it's basically what I've been doing with the Acana in the morning and raw at night. I just need a premade raw food I can find here in Sweden with very minimal ingredients. The only brand I know of is Ziwipeak, but she would never eat the dried stuff when I tried, and I'm not sure we can afford the wet. I have to discuss it with my SO when he gets home tonight. Maybe she'd eat dry ZP mixed with a little wet or something else.

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The one thing I found with vets and allergies is they want to go to a protein that the animal does not normally eat and it always seems to be LAmb I guess because it's more readily available then say, kangeroo. I refused to believe that the lamb was doing any harm for a few years but could not figure out why I couldn't seem to find any relief for Midgie. It wasn't until I took her off the lamb that the relief started. My point is, that if you are relying on vet's professional decisions, you will find that this prolongs the animals agony. You, as the mommy, knows what's best for Gemma and has first hand knowledge of what Gemma tolerates well and what she does not. The vet isn't there with you on a daily basis to see what triggers and what doesn't. Blood test may be accurated today for what triggers Gemma, but tomorrow those triggers could have changed, so IMO I wouldn't bother wasting money on blood test for allergies. Immunotherapy does not work either and they'll tell you that only 5% of animal have successful results, but we don't actually know if that's from the shots. Huly always post some excellent articles when it comes to allergies that I copy them and refer to them often if I need to.
I'm the one who has been feeding her lamb all her life and the vet is actually telling me not to feed it to her, but instead replacing it with venison which doesn't seem to be an upgrade from that article. But venison is a protein she has never had before, while she has had a lot of beef and lamb. She's even had a bit of duck from the chews we give her as treats. From what I've researched, over feeding any protein for long periods of time can cause the development of an allergy to that protein. So maybe this has happened to her with lamb and/or beef. I think that's the approach the vet is trying to take on this. It seems to me that I've been keeping her on the same proteins for way too long and this could be the reason why these allergy symptoms are showing up all of a sudden. In that case, I shouldn't be keeping her on any 1 or 2 proteins for long periods of time, but instead rotating a few that don't seem to have negative affects on her. No idea where I can find raw duck, rabbit, quail, etc here, though.

And are the success rates for immunotherapy really that low? I guess it doesn't hurt to know if there is something in the environment that she's allergic to, but it just cost us a fortune that we didn't have for the blood tests. And it's going to cost another fortune for the vaccines.
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Can you get Primal or Stella & Chewy? You could crumble it and add water.
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