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LittleGemma 01-23-2015 08:09 AM

Questions about diet and Ziwipeak. Gemma has new diet rules.
 
Hey, ladies! It's been a while. I wish I were here on better circumstances, but Gemma has developed some pretty bad skin issues lately.

We took her to a skin specialist this week and they said it appeared likely to be allergies either to food or to the environment. She's always been on a diet of various Acana kibble for breakfast and fresh raw for dinners. For those of you who remember, Gemma has had on and off itching problems since she was a puppy. It's only now that they've become severe enough that it's making a noticeable appearance in her skin.

The vet took a skin scraping to test for fungal infection, fur samples for mites, and blood for testing of environmental allergen causes. The fur test came back negative for mites and we'll have the results for the fungal/allergen tests in 3-4 weeks, but in the meanwhile, she's been assigned a strict moose/reindeer (I'm not sure if reindeer in Swedish basically means venison) meat and boiled rice diet.

However, I'm concerned she won't be getting proper nutrition from the meat and rice alone. I remember Ziwipeak has a venison flavor. I was wondering if there's anything else in it that could cause an allergic response or if anyone has had success/problems with feeding it to their allergy sensitive fur babies. Or is there something I could add to her meat/rice diet to make up for the lack of nutrients?

We are stressed out of our minds right now with not knowing what is wrong with her and the bills associated with it all. Really hope these tests or the diet changes give us some answers. :confused: I hate seeing my poor baby uncomfortable.

Edit: Just did the math and dry Ziwipeak is nearly double the expense per month versus me preparing fresh moose and rice, but I still need something to add to moose and rice to make it a balanced diet. I also tried to feed Gemma dry Ziwipeak as a puppy, and she refused to eat it. She only liked the wet, which is way, way too expensive for us to feed daily.

woodard2009 01-23-2015 11:04 AM

I feed Stella & Chewy's Abosuletly Rabbit, Primal Duck and ZP Beef. Most dogs are not allergic to beef unless it's not organic. Rabbit and duck are off the beaten path. Coconut oil help ease the itchies quite a bit and is also has antifungal properties. By keeping the skin rubbed down, gives the skin a chance to heal. Bendryl also helps when the itching is unbearable. I do understand that these foods are expensive. I also buy discounted raw meat at my local grocery store. I feed the cubed up meat for breakfast and for the supper feeding, I feed either the duck or rabbit topped with a few squares of the ZP. Huly posted an article on here a while back explaining how certain foods react in the dogs body whether its food or environmental-allergy related. It's 100% accurate and has helped me get to the comfort point where at now. You will have to keep life simple for you and your pet from this point on. No more air freshner sprays in the house, very limited snacks. Find a dog shampoo that has simple ingrediants, etc.
I would avoid Venison and go with rabbit or duck as if I remember correctly, Venison was considered a warm food that helps inflame an irritated allergic dog. I had to stop giving it to Midgie and couldn't believe it was one of the factors that drove her crazy.

jan896 01-23-2015 11:27 AM

OMG.... GEMMA!!! http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/x...psmrbmd87c.gif so glad to see you back here.... just wish under better circumstances....

LittleGemma 01-23-2015 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by woodard2009 (Post 2147578)
I feed Stella & Chewy's Abosuletly Rabbit, Primal Duck and ZP Beef. Most dogs are not allergic to beef unless it's not organic. Rabbit and duck are off the beaten path. Coconut oil help ease the itchies quite a bit and is also has antifungal properties. By keeping the skin rubbed down, gives the skin a chance to heal. Bendryl also helps when the itching is unbearable. I do understand that these foods are expensive. I also buy discounted raw meat at my local grocery store. I feed the cubed up meat for breakfast and for the supper feeding, I feed either the duck or rabbit topped with a few squares of the ZP. Huly posted an article on here a while back explaining how certain foods react in the dogs body whether its food or environmental-allergy related. It's 100% accurate and has helped me get to the comfort point where at now. You will have to keep life simple for you and your pet from this point on. No more air freshner sprays in the house, very limited snacks. Find a dog shampoo that has simple ingrediants, etc.
I would avoid Venison and go with rabbit or duck as if I remember correctly, Venison was considered a warm food that helps inflame an irritated allergic dog. I had to stop giving it to Midgie and couldn't believe it was one of the factors that drove her crazy.

I looked into Stella and Chewy's before but couldn't find any suppliers in Sweden. That's very interesting about venison. I have no idea if moose counts as venison. :confused: Probably yes? Coconut oil seems to be a popular holistic remedy. Is it applied directly to the skin or added to food? I will try to find the article Huly posted. Sounds like it will be very helpful. Thanks for all the tips! :cheers:

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Originally Posted by jan896 (Post 2147586)
OMG.... GEMMA!!! http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/x...psmrbmd87c.gif so glad to see you back here.... just wish under better circumstances....

Hey Jan! :love5: I'll have to charge my camera and take a picture of her for you guys!

Huly 01-23-2015 12:08 PM

Yeah I got excited hoping for a photo but no luck!

What about this?
Stella & Chewy's - Simply Venison Freeze-Dried Dinner

Also we are a huge Primal fan but they do not make a venison. I wonder if it is something in the kibble causing it? Could you go all raw?

woodard2009 01-23-2015 12:19 PM

You could give a little coconut oil on your finger for her to lick off, but when the skin is irritated, I just rub them down good and it's ok when they lick it off their fur as they will. You don't want to feed too much as it could lead to diarrhea. Allergies are a bite in the butt, because it's very difficult to pinpoint what is causing the discomfort. Not sure if Moose is considered Venison or not, but Huly's article explains about what foods are considered cool foods that help keep inflammation down in the body so the itching doesn't seem as severe. Doesn't necessarily mean the animal is allergic to the warm or hot foods like Venison, it just means the warm and/or hot foods don't help any inflammation in the body that's being caused by the allergic reaction. I see Huly's here and maybe she can repost that awesome article. I wish she'd sticky it as I find it a very valuable resource for all those suffering with pet allergies and wondering what are the right foods to feed and what to avoid.

TBH-I would avoid Venison for the time-being until your pup gets some relief and stick with beef if duck or rabbit aren't available. ZP makes freeze-dried beef and Gemma would be getting a complete diet. I truly believe (as I have always believe this) that the majority of allergies are "Environmental", but the foods we feed exasperate the allergic reaction causing us to think that the foods we feed are the culprit. We are in a time where we can't trust none of the companies and have to learn how to read the ingrediants. Even when we find a great food like ZP, we still have to glance at the ingrediants once and a while as they are constantly changing the ingrediants on us.

LittleGemma 01-23-2015 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huly (Post 2147618)
Yeah I got excited hoping for a photo but no luck!

What about this?
Stella & Chewy's - Simply Venison Freeze-Dried Dinner

Also we are a huge Primal fan but they do not make a venison. I wonder if it is something in the kibble causing it? Could you go all raw?

A photo will be on its way. :) While I would like to go all raw, I have no idea how to find the organ and bone necessary for a purely raw diet here in Sweden. I've never seen more than chicken/beef liver in our grocery stores, neither of which I'm supposed to be feeding her now.

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Originally Posted by woodard2009 (Post 2147674)
You could give a little coconut oil on your finger for her to lick off, but when the skin is irritated, I just rub them down good and it's ok when they lick it off their fur as they will. You don't want to feed too much as it could lead to diarrhea. Allergies are a bite in the butt, because it's very difficult to pinpoint what is causing the discomfort. Not sure if Moose is considered Venison or not, but Huly's article explains about what foods are considered cool foods that help keep inflammation down in the body so the itching doesn't seem as severe. Doesn't necessarily mean the animal is allergic to the warm or hot foods like Venison, it just means the warm and/or hot foods don't help any inflammation in the body that's being caused by the allergic reaction. I see Huly's here and maybe she can repost that awesome article. I wish she'd sticky it as I find it a very valuable resource for all those suffering with pet allergies and wondering what are the right foods to feed and what to avoid.

TBH-I would avoid Venison for the time-being until your pup gets some relief and stick with beef if duck or rabbit aren't available. ZP makes freeze-dried beef and Gemma would be getting a complete diet. I truly believe (as I have always believe this) that the majority of allergies are "Environmental", but the foods we feed exasperate the allergic reaction causing us to think that the foods we feed are the culprit. We are in a time where we can't trust none of the companies and have to learn how to read the ingrediants. Even when we find a great food like ZP, we still have to glance at the ingrediants once and a while as they are constantly changing the ingrediants on us.

Ah, okay. After some digging I did find the article. It's definitely something to think about and brings up some very interesting points. She's been eating mostly Acana lamb and raw beef or lamb, so that's a lot from the hot section! I would prefer to stick with the vet's assignment of moose/reindeer (which does count as venison) for the following month while we wait for the test results to see if it makes any difference, but if not then I will be eager to discuss this approach with her, or rather, have my SO attempt to translate this discussion with her. She didn't say anything about duck/rabbit being against "the rules," however. It's something we can ask about when we get in contact with her. She's only in our clinic once a week so my SO has to call the clinic and ask if they have her email or personal contact information to get in contact sooner.

elaina 01-23-2015 01:48 PM

hi Caitlin ! its so nice to see you here again. I had wondered where you went.... sorry to here that Gemma has itchy skin problems. :-(.

I think I did read an article similar to what Lisa is talking about and also found it very helpful, and I am pretty sure it was posted by Jesuschick ( maybe it is different, i'll have to try to find the one posted by Huly too )


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