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Old 11-15-2015, 05:25 PM
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Ok...so I need some help deciding which chi puppy to get. Both are absolutely adorable and if I could get both girls I would in a second. We already have one male chi who isn't going to be happy about another dog invading "his" space.

The first puppy is the one I posted pictures of before. She comes from champion bloodlines and her mother is an emotional support therapy dog. This breeder gives a written lifetime health guarantee and will fly the puppy to me herself at 10 weeks. She said this little girl is just like her mom and is one in a million. I had my heart set on her, but she will be DH's Christmas present and he didn't seem to be as head over heels for her as I was so I kept looking.

The second puppy I found is almost identical to our sweet Angelina that we lost in April. She has the bright innocent look in her eyes and a precious little face. The other puppy definitely looks like she knows she's special, whereas this little chi looks like she wants you to think she's special. I'm torn. This puppy doesn't have the lifetime health guarantee and she also doesn't have champion lineage. The breeder says she gets a lot of attention and socialization and sounded very nice on the phone.

When I talked to her breeding partner is when I started to get concerned. That woman sounded crazy and told me how one of the puppies her breeding partner has (she's the one who also has the puppy I'm looking at) hydrocephalus. That's what Angelina died from so I immediately got concerned. It's not the puppy I would get and its not a direct sibling of that puppy either. However, this woman went on to tell me how she lost a perfectly healthy chi at 6 years old and when I asked what happened she said that the dog had just died. She also told me she has a male chi right now who has some mental retardation or something but she doesn't really know. Again, this is the breeding partner of the woman I would be buying from but it still raises some concern.

If it were you which one would you choose? Both breeders sound very caring and loving towards their animals but it's hard to tell. Also, the white puppy is already 14 weeks and the breeder wants to fly the puppy to me which is fine but she doesn't want to have anyone fly with her except the stewardess. That doesn't make me feel overly happy. The difference in price is also substantial. The first puppy is $2,500 and the second is $700 + $400 shipping. Sigh... I just don't know what to do ?.
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Old 11-15-2015, 05:39 PM
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If it was me I would get the first pup, she sounds great and is gorgeous. It's a bonus she comes from champion bloodlines. Your hubby will fall in love with her when she arrives, it's hard to pick a pup when you can't visit the litter but from what I can see I think she's your best option. This breeder sounds great since she's offering you written lifetime health guarantee and will fly the puppy to you herself.
Just with the health issues arising with the other pup seems concerning to me and that would worry me and this breeder isn't offering you a health guarantee like the first breeder.
You also sound dissapointed with her about the flying situation and if you are uncomfortable your going to be so nervous about it.
Even though there is a considerable price difference, your paying for piece of mind with her health and for the pup to be brought to you with the breeder. It will be worth paying for
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For the most part I agree with Jessicashield. That is an extremely high price to pay for a pup you are not planning on either showing or breeding. No price is a guarantee of good health, size or temperament. It is a big plus in the breeder's favor that she guarantee's health for life, but it makes me wonder why. I bred dogs for over 30 yrs. My pups were very much in demand and I almost always had a waiting list. A health guarantee for life is a foolish move on her part. What if a pup gets pneumonia(God forbid!)and dies. How is that the breeder's responsibility? All a good breeder can really assure you of is that certain hereditary things are not in her line to her knowledge. No hip dysplasia, no patella problems, etc. And even then something undesirable can show up for no apparent reason. Beware of those who promise too much. When they're anxious to sell there is no doubt a reason why. I would keep looking and look as local as possible. At 2500.00 I don't think the pup will sell fast. Bloodlines should only be an issue when you are buying to breed or to show. Why pay extra for those championship lines if you don't need them? And championship lines are absolutely no guarantee of good health. Most serious health issues are hereditary and/or hidden. There are countless people out there breeding and showing dogs with hidden health problems. Often the breeder doesn't even know yet.
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For the most part I agree with Jessicashield. That is an extremely high price to pay for a pup you are not planning on either showing or breeding. No price is a guarantee of good health, size or temperament. It is a big plus in the breeder's favor that she guarantee's health for life, but it makes me wonder why. I bred dogs for over 30 yrs. My pups were very much in demand and I almost always had a waiting list. A health guarantee for life is a foolish move on her part. What if a pup gets pneumonia(God forbid!)and dies. How is that the breeder's responsibility? All a good breeder can really assure you of is that certain hereditary things are not in her line to her knowledge. No hip dysplasia, no patella problems, etc. And even then something undesirable can show up for no apparent reason. Beware of those who promise too much. When they're anxious to sell there is no doubt a reason why. I would keep looking and look as local as possible. At 2500.00 I don't think the pup will sell fast. Bloodlines should only be an issue when you are buying to breed or to show. Why pay extra for those championship lines if you don't need them? And championship lines are absolutely no guarantee of good health. Most serious health issues are hereditary and/or hidden. There are countless people out there breeding and showing dogs with hidden health problems. Often the breeder doesn't even know yet.
You definitely share a great point. Also with your experience of breeding this is great advice.
Maybe it is best for Bseitz04 to reconsider and keep looking locally
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The $2,500 seems to be the going rate for this specific breeders puppies. She provides vet references and previous customer references but I also know those could be friends of the breeder. I would hope a vet wouldn't be unethical and lie.

I contacted my vet at home today and she said if it were her that she would purchase the higher priced puppy because of the temperament of the parents being so good and also the fact the breeder offered to fly the puppy herself. She also said you often times get what you pay for which I realize is very true in many cases.

Prices for puppies seem to be all over the place but standard appears to be at least $1,200. My sister is finding the same thing in her dog search. She's looking for a mini golden doodle for her boys and they're averaging $1,500-$3,000. Anyway, just want to make sure I make the best decision I can.
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For the most part I agree with Jessicashield. That is an extremely high price to pay for a pup you are not planning on either showing or breeding. No price is a guarantee of good health, size or temperament. It is a big plus in the breeder's favor that she guarantee's health for life, but it makes me wonder why. I bred dogs for over 30 yrs. My pups were very much in demand and I almost always had a waiting list. A health guarantee for life is a foolish move on her part. What if a pup gets pneumonia(God forbid!)and dies. How is that the breeder's responsibility? All a good breeder can really assure you of is that certain hereditary things are not in her line to her knowledge. No hip dysplasia, no patella problems, etc. And even then something undesirable can show up for no apparent reason. Beware of those who promise too much. When they're anxious to sell there is no doubt a reason why. I would keep looking and look as local as possible. At 2500.00 I don't think the pup will sell fast. Bloodlines should only be an issue when you are buying to breed or to show. Why pay extra for those championship lines if you don't need them? And championship lines are absolutely no guarantee of good health. Most serious health issues are hereditary and/or hidden. There are countless people out there breeding and showing dogs with hidden health problems. Often the breeder doesn't even know yet.
You definitely share a great point. Also with your experience of breeding this is great advice.
Maybe it is best for Bseitz04 to reconsider and keep looking locally
I have never purchased a chi locally. There really aren't many quality breeders in my area and if there are they primarily breed long coats. (I didn't realize how many long coat breeders there are out there till I started looking for a short coat.) That doesn't mean they don't exist, it just means they're very hidden. I don't want to over pay for a puppy and be taken advantage of by the breeder but I don't want to get a puppy who might not have the health guarantee and good temperament since we take our dogs with us all over the place. Our male chi was $900 and our female we lost was $1,300.
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I have never purchased a chi locally. There really aren't many quality breeders in my area and if there are they primarily breed long coats. (I didn't realize how many long coat breeders there are out there till I started looking for a short coat.) That doesn't mean they don't exist, it just means they're very hidden. I don't want to over pay for a puppy and be taken advantage of by the breeder but I don't want to get a puppy who might not have the health guarantee and good temperament since we take our dogs with us all over the place. Our male chi was $900 and our female we lost was $1,300.
I've paid between $2100 (Millie) and $2600(pixie)
Gucci, Darcy and duchess were all between those prices.
Where are you located? I could try and help you out and do a internet search and see if I could find one if you like? I love puppy hunting.
When I found my pups I just looked for a kennel club assured breeder, did my research into whether the breeder was experienced and if he/she showed her dogs and then viewed the litter. It's so exciting trying to find a new puppy but hard at the same time because you want to find a specific one.
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