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Old 11-13-2008, 11:17 AM
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I just dont know what to do with Daisy. Killer my 7 month old chi was NO PROBLEM housebreaking. He was trained by the time he was 4 months old. Daisy, on the other hand, is a nightmare to housebreak. I have tried crating her ((((((EDITED TO SAY I HAVE TRIED CRATING HER AND USING PUPPY PADS. LORD KNOWS I DONT EXPECT HER TO HOLD IT FOR 8 HOURS A DAY JUST BE CLEAN- wouldnt want people to get their panty's in a wad_ I CRATED HER AT NIGHT AND PUT HER IN A ROOM WITH PUPPY PADS DURING THE DAY AND IT IS NOT WORKING)))))))). It's like she thinks it's ok to pee/poop in there. she is home alone for 8 hours per day every day. i dont have anyone to come and let her out. She HAS to learn to manage for that long. I am not against using puppy pads, but she shreds them. It doesnt matter what brand I use. It doesnt matter if I put them in a holder or leave them out of a holder. She will wait until she uses the bathroom on them and then shred them everywhere, covering the floor with feces and pieces of pad. I have to clean up after her every day, 2 times a day. Once in the morning and once in the afternoon.

I dont know what else to do. Should I just put her in the crate and just clean up after her every day? Should I just continue to clean up her shredded pads and feces everywhere? If I just continue to quietly clean it up, she never learns it is not ok to shred them. I will be cleaning it up for the rest of her life. If there was light at the end of the tunnel, I could remain patiend and continue what I am doing. It's just that there seems to be no light at the end of the tunnel. i feel like I am going to be cleaning up after her for 12-14 years from now. Should I try a litter box? Will she make a mess with that? I just dont know what else to do.

By the way, Daisy is 5 months old.

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Old 11-13-2008, 12:46 PM
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Maybe when you manage to hold it all day at work, she will learn to hold it as well. Sorry, but to say she 'has' to learn to hold it that long won't make it so, and it's not reasonable to expect her to. Sorry again I don't mean to sound rude, but it irritates me when people expect such feats of strength from puppies ... I would imagine though that litter would work a lot better if she shreds the pads. At least she can't shred litter. Is there no way someone can come home at lunch to let her out? If you cannot take care of your dog, you should not have a dog ...
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Old 11-13-2008, 01:31 PM
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On some of the pet product sites (sorry can't think where I saw them) they sell something like a fake grass mat. It may have a tray under it, I'm not sure. It looks heavy enough that a small dog couldn't tear it up. That or a liter box but liter can make a mess also.
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Maybe when you manage to hold it all day at work, she will learn to hold it as well. Sorry, but to say she 'has' to learn to hold it that long won't make it so, and it's not reasonable to expect her to. Sorry again I don't mean to sound rude, but it irritates me when people expect such feats of strength from puppies ... I would imagine though that litter would work a lot better if she shreds the pads. At least she can't shred litter. Is there no way someone can come home at lunch to let her out?
I completly agree!!! Here it's even against the law to leave a dog for more than 6 hours. If you can't afford to pay someone to walk the dog once a day_at least_ or to use a dog daycare then I don't know why people get dogs. Sorry to sound hard but I can't believe people leave dogs this long and then get mad because they pee inside and get into mischief.
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Old 11-13-2008, 02:06 PM
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I have to agree with the other two, consider for a second how small her bladder is, it's rare for any dog to be able to hold it for 8 hours let alone one that small.

To be honest if you have to leave them that long you really should get someone to let her out, if you have to pay someone to do it then it just comes with the territory as I personally don't think yelling at her for it will help matters and neither is having to leave her that long that she has to mess in her crate, all of this is really just going to teach her worse habbits.

The average chihuahua struggles to hold it for longer than 2 hours so how can you expect her to manage 8, the mind boggles.
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does she potty in her bed? and do you put water in her crate? you could try making the crate smaller so she only has enough room to stand turn around and lay down. some crates come with an extra divider. once she gets the hang of holding it you could take it out. they are suppose to not potty where they sleep but some dogs dont care lol but maybe smaller space will help.
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Puppies are unable to fully control their bladders for a minimum of 8 months and some it takes a year. This is because they are growing and like a toddler need to learn about the "urge" to go versus OMG I just went!

There are no easy answers for you.

The only way that Daisy will get this is through consistency, time and patience. Raising a puppy is not an easy task and every puppy is an individual so you can't fault her for not "getting" this at the same rate as Killer did.

There are numerous options available to you.

FIRST: Have Daisy completed checked by the vet - organ function and blood count panels, urinalysis and fecal tests. Sometimes poor potty habits are an indication of something not right internally. If one of her organs is not functioning properly due to infection, disease etc - it is not her fault. Some conditions are very subtle and symptoms may not appear until it progresses to an advanced stage.

1) Enroll Daisy in a doggie daycare while you are at work. They have scheduled potty times, supervision etc. If you don't want to deal with cleaning out a crate 2x per day - the consider it money well spent.

2) Hire a reputable dog walker to come once or twice while Daisy is home alone. 8 hours is too long - period. I would mess my pants too if I was in her situation.

3) If you wish to continue to use pee-pads, purchase the Savic Trainer Puppy Pad System. It is a holder that puppies cannot get to the pads to shred. Even our most devote shredders have yet to accomplish that.

4) Stick to one method and don't vary it. Daisy needs 110% consistency. Changing her from crate to pen to crate to ... leads to confusion.

5) Feeding schedule. If you control what goes into Daisy you control what comes out of her.

6) Try a litter pan, see if it works she may take to it or may not. Some dogs never use it.

7) Get pack leader status and work on training. Make Daisy work for everything including food. You will have an easier time once you are her pack leader.

Keep her stimulated in her den/crate area. Dogs will mess their areas and destroy them out of boredom. Puzzle toys, Kongs etc.
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Old 11-13-2008, 05:25 PM
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I would try a litter box, it sounds like she is shredding the pee pads because she is wanting to dig and cover the waste.

My puppy uses his potty box with no problems, we use Yesterday's News for dogs in there. He seems to love it!
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