My point was that a NOVICE person looking to get into showing wants to buy from a person who shows her dogs. Now are there exceptions to this? Of course! You gave some great examples of dogs that haven't been shown that have produced well. Many of the qualities that make a good brood bitch (longer back for example and at least 5 pounds) could make her harder to finish in the show ring. There are many champion bitches out there (and dogs too) that have their championships that should NEVER be bred. I agree with you there.
However, I was trying to help a person who has no idea about showing. That person would do well to go with a proven show breeder if they want a dog to show. Perhaps, as time goes on, and they can hone their eye - they may be able to spot a show quality puppy out of a litter. But in the beginning, they are going to need mentoring and guidance. And if they want to show their dog - they need to buy from someone who also shows their dogs!
I can't tell you how many people have come to conformation classes with a pet quality puppy that they are wanting to show. When questioned, they will pull out a pedigree that has a couple champions way on back in the line and they will point out that the breeder told them that their dog was from a "champion line" and they sure could show it! Sure - they can show it. But they probably aren't going to win.
Originally Posted by ShilohAcres
A red CH does not indicate quality at all.
Really? A champion behind a dog doesn't indicate quality at all? Sorry, but we will have to disagree on this one. Especially in a breed that is very competitive like Chihuahua's. Sure, there may be a savvy handler who can get out there and finish a mediocre dog. But on the whole - I believe that YES - you can assume that a champion title does mean that the dog had enough good qualities to earn its championship.
If a beginner is buying a puppy to show - they need to buy from people who show. Having a mentor be able to evaluate puppies and to hold their hands at ringside while they learn the ropes is invaluable. That's my point when saying to buy from breeders who show their dogs if you want to show.