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Old 05-11-2012, 07:12 PM
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I don't want to offend anyone...but I like to know how other people think about this...
I see a lot of people on the internet saying they have a deer headed chihuahua.

Personally... I think a deerheaded chi doesn't exist, that deerheaded is a fantasy name...designed to sell chi and chi mix pups with no typical chi head. I also think that most of them are crossbreds, or poorly bred..
I say this because most of the "deerheaded" chi's I personally know don't have a pedigree and don't come from registered breeders.
Also a good breeder would choose the parents wisely, so the chance the pups match the breed standard is really big.

The breed standard only recognizes the "applehead" chi.
And a longer, deerheaded type is a serious fault.
So there are no deer headed and apple headed chi's.... there are only chi's....
and there is only 1 true type.
A deerheaded chi would just be a chi with a longer muzzle...


What do you think??
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Old 05-11-2012, 07:29 PM
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Uh oh... last time there was a thread like this it got out of hand ha ha.

I personally don't care either way, They are all Chihuahuas to me.

People like what they like, there is no right and wrong just because kennel clubs set a described standard as to what is currently deemed "en vogue" in a show ring, the standard & its interpretation has changed vastly over the years.

At the end of the day you have to buy the kind of dog that has an appearance you like and you need to ensure that it comes from healthy stock the rest is semantics.
I'm so over all the other politics, I have Chihuahuas that have been bred to the current standard and honestly? 80% of the people we encounter in the general population never know they are Chihuahuas, that says something.

I spend more time than I would like (honestly lol) explaining that yes some Chihuahuas look like this, is it a great thing? not sure.. all I know is that my dogs have extremely short muzzles which causes serious teeth ailments and breathing problems for some of them, something I never witnessed in my deer headed Chi.


Honestly there is no right or wrong answer here rather it's more like a double edged sword.

Anyhow.

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so ok let me understand this , are you saying that so called "deer heads" are badly bred dogs? if you are thats TOTALLY wrong! and you have offended ALOT of people on here who have deer heads!
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I think the same way. I don't think my girls are mixed at all (but you never really know), but I do think they have always been badly bred, through their whole line. I do think that deer heads are a fault in the breed. When a good breeder breeds a breed, they strive to match the breed standard, and better the breed. Deer heads are not the breed standard. I can say that having 2 deer heads. I am not offended at all, cuz after getting my girls, I have done a lot of research (I know I should have done my research before) and I see now they are no where near the breed standard, therefore, badly bred.
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Old 05-11-2012, 07:54 PM
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I am actually disgusting because you have quiet obvoisly done this to cause attention to your self and cause a argument! :@
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Wodjeka - I believe you are 100% correct. I know many people disagree with the term deer headed chi's just like others disagree with the term teacup. It's a way to describe the dog. Perhaps a way to rationalize why the dog has such a long sloped head and long muzzle, or why its so small? (although teacup is usually a coveted term and deer headed not so much.)

If people don't care what the standard says, that's fine. Their perogative. But the standard exists as a blueprint to the breed and if everyone disregarded it, we would have massive 15 pound dogs in no time that don't look anything like a chi. (I have nothing against 15 pound chihuahuas by the way, just that they are not bred to the standard.)

People that are breeding deer headed chi's with no regard to health or temperament are the real problem. They usually have NO idea what a chi should really look like. Thus, they think their dogs are worthy of being bred. That is where I have a problem. Especially when they tout their dogs as being DEER HEADS like it is something to be proud of.

No dog fits the standard perfectly. But there are dogs that look like chi's and there are those that don't. If someone doesn't give a rip that their dog look like a chi, then go to the pound or shelter and adopt a little mix. Problem solved. If someone wants their chi to look like a chi - they should buy from a reputable breeder who works hard to breed healthy dogs bred to the standard and who does health testing. Or rescue a chi and give a chance to a homeless dog.

Long snouted deer heads who don't fit the standard at all SHOULD NOT be bred. Plain and simple. That is the ONLY way we are going to protect our breed for the future. Are they great pets? Of course they are! They just shouldn't be reproduced.
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so ok let me understand this , are you saying that so called "deer heads" are badly bred dogs? if you are thats TOTALLY wrong! and you have offended ALOT of people on here who have deer heads!
Yes I did say that, but I only ment they are bred poorly according to the breed standard.
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Yes I did say that, but I only ment they are bred poorly according to the breed standard.
ok personally i think the bred standards arent 100% they are used to make the breed look "cuter" as most people seem to think that apple heads are the cutest! i think they are equal cuteness and theres no need for this! also can i say this is going to cause a BIG divide in the group and cause unnecessary arguments!
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