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Old 08-14-2012, 03:05 AM
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My family has been involved in the past with showing German Shepherds. I know that the GSD has been involved with some controversy among the breed itself due to breeding practices that, over the years, bred a weak structured dog that had higher instances of hip dysplasia. What I'm trying to get at, is that I've been looking at some show pictures of winning Chihuahua's and honestly? I hate the show bred chi's head structure. There were more than a few that reminded me more of Pugs than Chihuahuas. This is just my own personal opinion and I am still relatively new to the breed, but this is my opinion. After I read more and researched the German Shepherd's problems with their show bred build a few years ago, I swore that I would never support the breeding down of weakening dogs. I was just wondering if there was any sort of studies being done or has been done in regards to the health of dogs with shorter than average snouts. Also, why is this such a high regard in the show ring? I'd like to get involved in showing Chi's eventually but not if I must sacrifice my dog's longevity in order to achieve a CH title. Sorry for the rambling, just thought I would see how everyone else felt about this as well.
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Old 08-14-2012, 06:35 AM
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Some unscrupulous breeders do breed for an exaggerated or 'overdone' apple head (tend to be the kind of people who breed the mythical 'Teachp' Chihuahuas also) however these are ususally pet breeders and the dogs would never do well in the show ring. Is this the kind of look you're speaking of?

I wouldn't call my Winnie's head Pug-like (he's my avatar pic) and he's pretty close to standard in the head (let's not talk about his body, it's a bit off hence why he's now living with me not with his breeder), they have to be really short in the muzzle and jowly to start looking puggy and that type of Chi would not do well in the show ring. Winnie's muzzle is short but he has a good bite, eats well and will demolish a chicken wing when given the chance.

A head to the current Chi breed standard does not have any ill effects to the dog, only when people go to the excess and breed for that cartoon like appearance does it result in problems and from what i've seen that is not what's placing in the show ring (either here in Australia where Winnie's sire and grandsire are grand champions and have heads like his or on the Chihuahua Club of America website).
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If you really want to get into what showies, professional breeders and dog clubs themselves have done to dogs, locate the BBC Documentary "Pedigree Dogs Exposed" and watch that, you'll be disgusted - have a box of tissues handy if you're easily upset & brought to tears.

And it is these very imbiciles who have the audacity to sling off at people who breed the odd unpapered litter from their pack in their own backyard from time to time. Pfft, that's the biggest joke of all, these people holding themselves up to be something special, breeding only to improve the breed yada yada yada.

Look at the www pics of certain breeds 100 years ago and the same breed today - and THEN tell me all these people charging $2k for a pup have been breeding to improve the breed- BS they have, they been breeding to line their own damn pockets & try run anyone else, who even dares to produce a litter, out of town. I am sure there are SOME exceptions to the rule and those who genuinely believe they're doing the right thing, but they're no different in reality because they still follow the trend of "deformed" dogs so they can sell their pups & succeed in the showring, IMO.
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If you really want to get into what showies, professional breeders and dog clubs themselves have done to dogs, locate the BBC Documentary "Pedigree Dogs Exposed" and watch that, you'll be disgusted - have a box of tissues handy if you're easily upset & brought to tears.

And it is these very imbiciles who have the audacity to sling off at people who breed the odd unpapered litter from their pack in their own backyard from time to time. Pfft, that's the biggest joke of all, these people holding themselves up to be something special, breeding only to improve the breed yada yada yada.

Look at the www pics of certain breeds 100 years ago and the same breed today - and THEN tell me all these people charging $2k for a pup have been breeding to improve the breed- BS they have, they been breeding to line their own damn pockets & try run anyone else, who even dares to produce a litter, out of town. I am sure there are SOME exceptions to the rule and those who genuinely believe they're doing the right thing, but they're no different in reality because they still follow the trend of "deformed" dogs so they can sell their pups & succeed in the showring, IMO.
I am watching it now... 3 second in and I'm already getting emotional !!
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I saw this when it was broadcast, it was very scary. I immediately dug out Ted's family tree and checked for in-breeding. There wasn't any as I do think I picked a good breeder but I hadn't specifically checked for it at the time.

For me it's the obsession with "teacup" that I find upsetting, although I guess that's more making money from people who want a cute pet to carry around rather than breed standards (although I find the UK one of 2 to 6lbs with 2 to 4lbs being ideal ridiculous). I had to really hunt to find a breeder who wasn't trying to breed tiny tiny chis :-/
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I saw this when it was broadcast, it was very scary. I immediately dug out Ted's family tree and checked for in-breeding. There wasn't any as I do think I picked a good breeder but I hadn't specifically checked for it at the time.

For me it's the obsession with "teacup" that I find upsetting, although I guess that's more making money from people who want a cute pet to carry around rather than breed standards (although I find the UK one of 2 to 6lbs with 2 to 4lbs being ideal ridiculous). I had to really hunt to find a breeder who wasn't trying to breed tiny tiny chis :-/
I even feel that 'breed standard' for AKC and KC doesn't always look out for the health of the dog - when one woman said the general belief with the KC is that discussing the health ruins the breed, it sent shivers down my spine.

I've been doing some online scouring also and there is a thought that even the breeding out deerheads in favour of an applehead isn't an improvement of the breed so its a wonder they are discounted from breed standard...

I was delighted that both my chi's (Zeus being 1/4 Jack russell) have a stronger frame than alot of the chi's that I've seen one woman even asked me if Isis was a full chihuahua as she's a little bigger than alot of the runts you see around these days... When I said, yes she's full pedigree KC registered and charting within breed standard she just said 'oh okay she's not minature though is she?' ....huh?
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I come from a family who bred and showed shepherds too, from back in the 80s and have had chihuahuas for about the last 15 or 16 years. I can say with all honesty, I don't feel the "show" chihuahua is anywhere near the extremeties they took shepherds too. You don't find a pet shepherd who has such severe angulation that it has displasia by the time its four, with broken down hocks and early onset arthritis from its "correct" conformation. Being honest, you will not see the american line show shepherds anywhere outside of the show ring. The chihuahua "show head"is something that is ocasionally taken to the extreme, but honestly, its usually not, and many people with pet quality dogs have "apple head" dogs. Its what's correct by breed standard, and always has been, its not just a new fad in the last 15 or 20 years. As far as health concerns, the average chi with an applehead does not have any more health problems than a "deerheaded" chihuahua. Any dog with a small mouth usually needs proper dental care to prevent dental problems. Now the extremely short muzzled dogs do sometimes have a harder time in extreme heat, but like I said, honestly those super extreme pug like heads aren't the "norm" in the show ring. There's also hydro, but I've seen that result
From two dogs who had rather plain heads, not extreme at all, nearly deer headed. Imo the show chihuahua does not have any more health risks than the pet quality chihuahua. The real risks and problems I've seen are more related to a lot of pet quality dogs who end up with luxating patellas, bad hearts can be a problem, again not show related, and honestly I see a lot of people who's dogs are either grossely overweight from overfeeding and lack of exercize, or on the other opposite a lot of backyard breeders who keep their dogs way too skinny just so they can say I have an xx pound dog. Id rather see the dog with enough weight on it for its frame to have proper muscle and flesh on it than see it half starved to make a weight that it honestly shouldn't be. I have a dog here who was supposed to be 5lbs, at a healthy weight, she's around 6.5. The shepherd show ring and the chihuahua show ring are honestly like two completely different worlds, id defiantly suggest checking out the chihuahuas at your next show
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