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Old 08-26-2013, 07:03 PM
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Oh my gosh ... the sounds that come out of her crate are horrifying. It sounds like she's being murdered in there.

OK - I've been trying to crate train my baby. She is 9 weeks old. Last week I had great success. I would put her in her crate with a puppy Kong and three kibbles in there. She would cry for about 15 minutes but then stop. Once she would stop I would wait for a few minutes and then let her out, praising her for being "Quiet - good quiet!!!" then out to potty.

She sleeps in her crate every night right beside me and has no problems with that.

My husband put her in the crate a few days ago and she cried for about twenty minutes, but as soon as she was quiet for five, he let her out and praised her - then out to potty.

Then today, I put her in her crate (after having peed her) with her Kong but her crying/howling/screaming just would not stop. After a half an hour I was worried that it was too long and she might have to go potty again. I read in one article to take her out with no deal made, outside, go potty, then right back in to continue the training. That was what I did. She then yowled for another half an hour. I was getting worried again that it is just too long. But finally, she stopped. I only waited about one minute of quiet before letting her out and praising for "Good Quiet!!"

Is one minute not long enough and have I messed everything up with her? Why is she crying so much more now when she started off so well before? How long can I leave her in there at 9 weeks before worrying? She's in great health and has no urinary or bowel problems. My last puppy many years ago did not cry for this amount of time. I'm a little overwhelmed and very worried. Any suggestions?

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Old 08-26-2013, 07:21 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong but you seem to be "crate training" her as a matter of urgency and that it's something that has to be done asap. Why is it that she needs to be trained so soon to stay in her crate ? You might find that if you ease up a bit she will go in her crate of her own accord for a quiet place. She's still very young and will be much happier just being with you, of course I understand putting her in there for safety if you have to go out but IMO she's a bit young yet to stay in her crate as a training exercise.
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Old 08-26-2013, 08:11 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong but you seem to be "crate training" her as a matter of urgency and that it's something that has to be done asap. Why is it that she needs to be trained so soon to stay in her crate ? You might find that if you ease up a bit she will go in her crate of her own accord for a quiet place. She's still very young and will be much happier just being with you, of course I understand putting her in there for safety if you have to go out but IMO she's a bit young yet to stay in her crate as a training exercise.
Yes, I do need to have a little bit of a life for maybe 30 minutes a day to shower, or take my other dog for a walk. My little chi needs to learn to be left alone for small amounts of time, and for her own safety, it has to be in her "den".

If anyone has any useful suggestions for crate training, please let me know. All I read is to ignore her crying, but I am concerned if it goes on for too long. She eats in there and loves it - goes willingly every mealtime and waits. She sleeps in there very comfortably. I am doing what needs to be done as a responsible dog parent.

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Old 08-27-2013, 12:13 AM
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If she is safe, has pottied appropriately before being put in the crate, and the crate is a good size... then put her in and don't worry. Maybe invest in some earplugs. I really wouldn't worry about rushing in to let her out in 1 minute or 5 minutes after her being quiet, I would allow her to rest in the crate and be okay in there for a bit then let her out when you are ready (a reasonable amount of time for her age).

I don't really follow the 'rules' for crate training. My pups and fosters just get put in a crate on their first day and that's that. They will sleep in them the first night and stay in them for hours at a time from the first days (again, within reason for the age of the pups). I just don't have the time to beg my dogs to like their crates. The crates are pleasant places to be, they get fed in them, and always get a cookie for going in the crate. No toys in the crate here though.
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Old 08-27-2013, 12:35 AM
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I agree with you needing time to do the things that you need or just want! But, maybe if you only put her in it when you cannot watch her, she will like it more. Why do you feed her in her crate? I don't know that I "crate trained" Angel, but he loves his crate! I got him at nine weeks old and he has slept in it from day one. I actually put him in it when he was bad boy. I hear you are not supposed to do that! But, seriously, what's the difference between "time out" and "punishment!" Anyway, he is now almost 3 years old and has no problem with his crate! He was put in it if I couldn't watch him or just wanted him to settle down.

Now he goes in whenever he wants to. He goes in it for certain treats, or when we have company and he is not friendly! I also have a golden retriever. I have to watch Angel closely because he will take food, treats and toys away from her! Of course she is to blame also, because she just backs away and let's him have whatever he wants! Even the food in her dish!

Maybe try feeding her out of her crate, put her in it for a treat , or bully stick! She is still very young and needs that human bonding! But yes, their cry sounds like they are being murdered!

Hang in there! Things work out!
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Old 08-27-2013, 03:20 AM
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I have the same problem with my new pup she was perfecr for the first week then we let her sleep in the bed now she gets up middle of yhe night and has an accident we been crating her but she screams her head off the entire night its the worst. Maiya is 5 months 1 week old now but still shes tiny I worry about her screaming the entire night like for 8 hours shell scream shell get silent for maybe 20 mins then go again lol worst ever I got ninja already crate trained at 7 weeks old he is 6 years old and loves his crate hes always in it with the door open its his safe spot. We feed her in there put treats toys water her pee pad bed and blanket she goes in takes her food out of the pen and eats it outside of thr pen lol smart little buggers
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I feed her (Gumdrop) in her crate because I've read several reputable training books and two of the three said to not only give them treats (like a puppy kong with a few little treats inside to give her a job and keep her happily busy), but to feed her in her crate - it helps her to see that happy things are inside the crate. I also close the door over when she eats (I dont' lock it and it is left open a crack) and I stay in sight while she eats - it helps her to realize that the door closed is not a bad thing. As soon as she finishes, I open the door again and praise her like crazy for going to her "den". She is all wiggly and happy. Crate = happy. Crate = yummy. Crate = comfort and peaceful naptime.

She's doing really well - I think she just gets a little scared that her family is leaving her alone. She is calming down but it upsets me when she is upset for any amount of time. I'm trying to be strong - I have to be ... for her sake. This training is very important and all reputable trainers I've read say that an 8 week old puppy is very capable of learning, and the younger they are taught, the happier, and better adjusted dogs they end up being. I always consider her age and what she and her tiny little bladder can handle. At 9 weeks old, she has only had 1 accident in the house, the day she came home. During the night, I have my quiet ipod strum alarm set for every 2 hours and I take her outside to pee, then back to her den and she curls right back up and sleeps.

Thank you to all of you who have been supportive and realize the importance of this puppy crate training - for the pups sake. It helps with successful potty training, helps prevent future separation anxiety, and gives them a "safe place" if they ever want or need one. It is the right thing to do - I just needed help getting over my heart breaking every time she cries. Thank you all.
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Oh, I almost forgot ... also, in the book I am reading now: My Smart Puppy, by Brian Kilcommons and Sarah Wilson, a dog by nature does not want to eliminate in the place where they sleep and eat. By having meal times in the (appropriately sized) crate (den) for the first few months, we teach the puppy that this is not a place he or she wants to eliminate.

And today's 15 minute time out den time (where I was able to go out and get the mail, and play fetch with our large dog Daisy for a while - her play time is important too - Gumdrop did excellent. She wimpered once when I returned inside, but was then quiet for several minutes, so I let her out with lots of loving praise, tickles, and a treat.
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