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Old 01-05-2014, 12:29 AM
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Hello all

Bit of background:
This is my first post (hiya) and puppy/dog/pet/baby.

We researched a lot and were told by our breeder to crate train so I purchased what I thought was the smallest crate (24inch or 61cm). I have a smaller one on the way (50cm or 19inch). We need two crates due to living in a 3 floor terraced house and in a family of 5 (grandad, hubbys parents, hubbys sister, hubby and myself), plus a bit of an attitudey low maintenance cat, and decided to have CoCo sleep in our (spacious) bedroom on the 3rd floor where we know the cat wont get to her in the night. We take the crate up and night and bring it down in the morning.

I'm having a few problems with my baby girl...I brought CoCo home on new year's day and she had a couple of pee accidents that day but was no bother and expected.... we cleaned it up and enforced her puppy pad. We have a tray with a covered grid. She did really well. The breeder recommended keeping food in her crate overnight due to the stress of bringing her home so we did with a puppy pad and she used it to pee/poo during the night. Was a great night for all...no one woke up and CoCo went straight to sleep after waking.

On thursday am we took her downstairs at 7am and fed her again as we didn't know what time she'd eaten overnught. She ate a bit but we didnt force feed her and took it away 30mins later.during the day we trained her to pee/poo on her pad(which is close to her crate) and gave lots of happy praise when she did it. That was a good day with no accidents. She was either peeing or pooing in 1.5 to 2 hr slots.

The second night though, decided to keep her pad outside the crate at night as i didnt want her to step in it and carry the scent over to her bed and we woke up when she cried to pee/poo but found she had already done her business and just wanted attention. So we woke up in the morning to soiled bedding which I had to removed to spray with the neutralizer and then wash.

Friday was a bit of a stressful morning as When we bought her down in the morning she had no bedding as she had soiled what was in her crate and was very upset in it and soiled again after id washed it so had to be removed again . When she calmed down she was peeing /pooing at 3 hr slots during the day. In the evening we took her water away at 7pm and she automatically ran to her pad to pee and poo before settling into her crate. We took her up at 1045 (I had washed and replaced her bedding again by this point so she recognised it as home and also had a few successful naps in her crate). It was like a miracle and we were soo happy she ran to her bed! So we took her upstairs. Friday during the day I trained her to sit - she now does this on cue which I think is amaazing and I'm so proud!

That night She slept til 1.30am, i woke up and sat her on her pad and she pood and went straight to sleep (great). She Woke up again at 430 but no pee. 7am... no pee. Each time she settled quietly into her crate and with max. 10 mins of whimpering.

At 9am this morning she had a poo after breakfast and we took her to the vet for her vet check up and She had her first vaccinations ...shes groggy and seems perfectly fine in in mist ways like shes eating and playing and responding to "sit, stay", but her potty training behaviour has completely changed now. We have had multiple accidents in her bed. She's overly clingy to me, even when being distracted she's crying for me (normally the family can distract her when I'm busy doing dinner /cleaning) and after peeing at 9.30pm (successfully on pad for the first time today) she's woken up (11:30pm) didn't pee on her pad but she peed in her bed. My hubby was being persistent however she ran back into her crate and peed on her bedding. Big step backwards ...she woke again at 1am just now and pood on the other side of her crate and peed on her bed. She has also wailed so badly everytime weve put her in the crate so someone had to hold her all day while she slept in their arms. I stayed away because I had housework to do and other members of the family need to bond with her too.

Her crate is quite big for her but there is nothing on the market for such a small dog. We try to feed her in her crate and have toys during the day but none at night.

So I have a number of questions: im desperate as I lover her dearly and feel very attached to her...I want to help her but I go back to work on monday, and hubby does weds. For 6 weeks after that she'll have hubbys sister with her at home but I know she wont have eyes on her 100% of the time like me and hubby.

Is she having accidents because of the way the breeder had her set up? Bed, newspaper then food?
Have we tried to quickly to move the pad away from her crate?
Should we Get a pen instead and remove crates?
Should we start as we mean to go on and carry on but be extra vigilent? If so, which crate shall we keep where? Ones bigger and will have a covered pyramid bed.
Is it normal for puppys to feel this sad and sorry for herself after the first vaccines?
shall we take her in the garden? And move the pad out there so switch it up completely?
Should I keep washing her bedding? She soiled the throw I slept on with my scent so now doesnt have that with her.
I'm feeding her twice a day but she has treats during the meals playing and pottying.

I've read conflicting information everywhere and could just do with some solid advice for my baby girl. Im very confused...
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Old 01-05-2014, 11:09 AM
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Update - She woke at 9am peed on the pad, we took her down and she ate most of her breakfast and we put her in her crate while we did breakfast for ourselves etc. She didnt want to pee/poo after eating. She napped for about an hour and a half and had woken up with TONS of energy - is playing with ehr toys and running around, but I just caught her sniffing, took her to her pad, but she's peed on the other side of her crate again on her bedding
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First of all,she's doing very well for a 8 week old and you've only had her about a week so all is strange for her,and the Kennel club advises puppies should stay with mum till 12 weeks,so she's very young
I wouldn't keep moving the pee pads that will confuse her,if she does a pee on it leave it there don't change it so she will go back to it,i always left the crate door shut
8 week old pups should be having 4 small meals a day ,not 2.Otherwise they can suffer from low blood sugar levels that can be fatal.
Don't keep carrying her around put her in her crate,with toys,chews and maybe a teddy to snuggle up to,give her treats in there so she associates that with a great place to be.
What food are you feeding her,she does seem to poop a lot
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Thank you Michele

We spoke to the vet who said that the amount of food we're feeding her is fine and the treats are filling her up during the gap. I tried 3 meals today as I was feeling the same that 2 meals weren't enough...she ate it so I have reduced the portion size and will be feeding 3 times a day. We're feeding her Hills Science Plan for puppies with warm water to soften the kibbles.

She seems to be pooing 2-3 times a day which I thought was normal? My sister in law gave her a tiny bit of yoghurt yesterday as a treat because she was playng with her and that seemed to give her softer stools. We've decided to stop that and only give her the puppy treats when she is playing. No human food until she's settled some more

We took her at 8 weeks as the breeder was moving up north to leeds on Friday and so needed her to be taken before then.

I have been putting lots of treats in her bed in her crate but she cries as soon as I walk away or hshe hears me talking. She eventually settles after 10 mins or so but I've put the pad down at the other end of the crate and she is now using that - I haven't moved it or changed to a new one to keep the scent there.

The reason why we sometimes have to carry her aroound is due to the cat - she hisses at her every time theyre close and I done want her to attack CoCo
The family also keep picking her up and cuddling her so she falls asleep on them. I cant always tell them to leave her alone though as they may take offence.

Should I keep her pad in her crate for now? and gradually move it away and at night keep the same set up so she wees/poos at her leisure during the night?
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I have three adults who are well potty trained. However, if I get delayed at work one will have occasional pee accidents on her bed. After several beds were destroyed, I now use a pillow with a waterproof pillow cover and a basic pillow case. If she has an accident it is easy to clean up. This might work for you as your little one gets potty trained. She is very young and the training will take some time.
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Is she having accidents because of the way the breeder had her set up? Bed, newspaper then food? No
Have we tried to quickly to move the pad away from her crate? No
Should we Get a pen instead and remove crates? No
Should we start as we mean to go on and carry on but be extra vigilent? Yes
If so, which crate shall we keep where? Ones bigger and will have a covered pyramid bed. Doesn't matter, you can let her choose her liking as she gets older.
Is it normal for puppys to feel this sad and sorry for herself after the first vaccines? She honestly feels ill. Although she may be pouting b/c she feels ill. In that case, she's just a sensitive girl.
shall we take her in the garden? YesAnd move the pad out there so switch it up completely? No
Should I keep washing her bedding? Yes, keep bedding as free of elimination as possible; like your own.She soiled the throw I slept on with my scent so now doesnt have that with her. Doesn't have to have your scent, just fresh bedding/blanket. Perhaps a pack of receiving blankets would do so you can have a few extra. (Might do that myself

Here's what I did with George's kennel: I set up one end as his sleeping area. It had a covered bed like you described. I put a pad at the other end and tucked under the bed. He'd wake up, walk out of the bed, stretch, and tinkle. It was natural. As he grew, I began taking him outside when it was time to potty. I did a two-hour routine and we didn't play at all outside when it was time to potty. I brought treats and as soon as he went, I praised like a mad woman and gave him a treat. I also took him out after/mid-way play sessions, like if he'd been playing for a little while, running etc. And about thirty minutes after meals. I used the kennel for back up too. We'd go out (on the two hour intervals) and I'd give him about five minutes; if he didn't do business, we'd go in and he'd go to his kennel (only b/c he wouldn't use it in there), and I'd try again about thirty minutes later. I also used the tether method and that helped too. I guess I used a few tools, but the basic two hour, after play and meals routine.
I was against a pen for him b/c I didn't want him going in the house at all. I decided that after I realized he wasn't taking to the pads I had out on the floor. Some do well, some don't. I think you'll know as time goes on and you get to know her.
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Thank you for your suggestions and answers dodie!
So CoCo is doing muuuuuuch better... has settled into a routine of 7am breakfast (except weekends where we wake up at 9) 1pm lunch and 7pm dinner. We pick up her water at 7pm.

Turns out she was having accidents purely because she was feeling ill and sorry for herself that day. I guess I panicked. She is a very affectionate and sensitive girl. She whines sometimes when in her crate but that's because the rest of the family give her too much attention when she's outside of her crate ...having said that...the bed is more her den and the puppy pad takes up the rest of th space incase she has an accident or has to go when we cant watch her (cleaning etc). And the water bowl is placed on that.

She is with my sis in law all day who regularly takes her for her pee and coco hasn't actually had any accidents for a few days now, except Only once when she was super excited and showing off her new "fetch" trick!

At night she wakes at 1am and then at 6am...so we have her crate and pee pad sectioned off so I dont need to wake up (have been working 20hr days for work and I'm exhausted and need sleep). Our bedroom is also on the 3rd floor of the house so its not possible to take her outside at night. ..its too far and we have to walk through the cat's territory to do so...plus coco hasn't learned stairs yet...althought can just about jump up one step.

Another reason why I dont want to take her outside for pee just yet is because the 2nd vaccinations havent been done...in the UK we have foxes that roam our gardens at night...especially in london...although only a coyple of neighbouring cats have been in our garden...I just dont feel comfortable taking her out until she is fully protected.


One thing im stumped on though...is how do I stop her nipping me...its like she switches on me all of a sudden when we're having kisses and starts to try and bite me...I normally put her down and say no biting and then she sits and waits almost like she's saying sorry... am I doing this correctly?

Im annoyed at one member of the family though.. she had her in her bed today when I came home from work... I dont allow coco in our bed and found this incredibly undermining...I guess I should ask her nicely not to do that again...hubby also out her on the dining table which in my books is a HUGE nono. .he got a telling off for that.
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Make sure everyone is following the same rules. One of our 3 chi's is fed on the table, due to her tummy issues and our arthritis. It is now after 5 pm and she has not eaten today---just a bit of milk this am. Her doing---not ours. She is given a chance in the am, noon and about 5pm. Sometimes she doesn't eat much at all.
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