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I have an interesting and difficult situation. I live with two other adults and they routinely give George false commands, reward him for nothing and/or doing the wrong thing and even NOT doing what they say. One of the worst problems is not taking command with him and instead 'asking' rather than telling him. Then he doesn't listen and doesn't do it, and in turn begins not to listen to me. This is getting difficult for me b/c I have to reinforce/re-do training sometimes. It's getting harder for me to take control of him when they're around b/c he wants to go play with them rather than listen to me. Who wouldn't?

I've tried talking to them and showing them what I've trained him to do following what commands (the correct command for what they're trying to get him to do), and they 'forget' as soon as I'm done. For example: I've trained him to wait for me to go in the door from outside. He goes after I do. One person always tries to get him to go in before them, confuses him, then fusses at him. I've tried explaining it to them, but they just behave as though I'm being difficult.

He's my dog. I'm responsible for his behavior. So I've trained him to my commands. I feel like I've done what I can with the other people in the house, and anything more seems to only bring tension.

I guess my question is: How much should I really worry about all of this? I feel that if I let it go, he will become untrained, won't listen to anyone b/c of the inconsistency, and will turn into a nightmare.
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This happened with one of my dogs. You need to keep at it. Maybe even crate him or something so they can't mess with him.
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I think if you can't do anything with the humans you live with and they are going to undermine your training unintentionally or not, it is unfair to your dog to continue to try to be dogmatic with him concerning your training. He is receiving mixed signals--it is confusing to him--setting him up for failure--and how could it not be causing him unneeded anxiety? Choose the things that REALLY matter such as potty training (absolutely not in the house), no nipping people (he doesn't have to like everyone--we don't always, but he can't bite), and as for the rest, does it really matter in the grand scheme of things who goes through the door first?
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I think if you can't do anything with the humans you live with and they are going to undermine your training unintentionally or not, it is unfair to your dog to continue to try to be dogmatic with him concerning your training. He is receiving mixed signals--it is confusing to him--setting him up for failure--and how could it not be causing him unneeded anxiety? Choose the things that REALLY matter such as potty training (absolutely not in the house), no nipping people (he doesn't have to like everyone--we don't always, but he can't bite), and as for the rest, does it really matter in the grand scheme of things who goes through the door first?
That's what I'm trying to weigh. It does matter that he listens and behaves. Listening isn't just for me, it's to keep him out of trouble and away from danger. In order for him to listen to me, he has to take my lead.
In a word, no, I don't think it's unfair. At least if it is, it's not worth giving up on his being obedient/safe/listening at least with me if no one else. So, maybe that's the answer?
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This happened with one of my dogs. You need to keep at it. Maybe even crate him or something so they can't mess with him.
I do try to keep him near me most of the time. He doesn't get to go hang out with the other people for long They don't really want him to either.
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Here's what I did:

I got everyone together and did a little showcase with explanations. I showed the family what he knows to do and what words/commands he knows and that those words/commands mean something to him.

I realized that I had never really taken the time to explain it to everyone except in the moment it's happening and that can come off badly causing friction/tension.
George did a great job showing everyone how smart he is! And cute. And funny. When he really wants a the treat in a session, he'll start doing all sorts of tricks to see which one will work. He's so smart that he does the newest/hardest ones on his own to get the treat.

Anyway, I explained and showed how if I say sit, he only gets the treat if he stays seated for the entire ride. No butt coming off of the floor to reach for the treat. He doesn't get the treat for performing unsolicited tricks Only requests get paid. And that enforcement is key, lest he become confused and eventually won't listen to anyone b/c no one really means it.

I think it went well. They seemed receptive and decided not to try to get him to do tricks b/c of all of the hand signals George knows and how easy it is to confuse those. So that's sort of a win/win. I also got to explain that if you don't want him doing something, just tell him "No". Not "down" for "stop jumping on me". That is just "no". -things like that that help us all work together.

I think things will be okay for now. Everyone really understood about un-training and re-training and mixed messages/signals. Everyone really does appreciate that he is so well behaved (except for his little attitude sometimes lol) and expressed that seeing the results in his behavior and obedience makes it more clear as to why it seems I'm hard on him.
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That's what I'm trying to weigh. It does matter that he listens and behaves. Listening isn't just for me, it's to keep him out of trouble and away from danger. In order for him to listen to me, he has to take my lead.
In a word, no, I don't think it's unfair. At least if it is, it's not worth giving up on his being obedient/safe/listening at least with me if no one else. So, maybe that's the answer?
You are absolutely right that listening to you and obeying you for the sake of his safety is paramount, but if you have too many commands that others are undermining then it may be confusing him. What I guess I'm trying to say is if I were you I would pick what is of absolute importance and not worry about a lot of different commands for the sake of commands because of your living situation. You may have to think ahead about him not getting into situations that would compromise his safety being you don't have 100% control over his training environment.
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Here's what I did:

I got everyone together and did a little showcase with explanations. I showed the family what he knows to do and what words/commands he knows and that those words/commands mean something to him.

I realized that I had never really taken the time to explain it to everyone except in the moment it's happening and that can come off badly causing friction/tension.
George did a great job showing everyone how smart he is! And cute. And funny. When he really wants a the treat in a session, he'll start doing all sorts of tricks to see which one will work. He's so smart that he does the newest/hardest ones on his own to get the treat.

Anyway, I explained and showed how if I say sit, he only gets the treat if he stays seated for the entire ride. No butt coming off of the floor to reach for the treat. He doesn't get the treat for performing unsolicited tricks Only requests get paid. And that enforcement is key, lest he become confused and eventually won't listen to anyone b/c no one really means it.

I think it went well. They seemed receptive and decided not to try to get him to do tricks b/c of all of the hand signals George knows and how easy it is to confuse those. So that's sort of a win/win. I also got to explain that if you don't want him doing something, just tell him "No". Not "down" for "stop jumping on me". That is just "no". -things like that that help us all work together.

I think things will be okay for now. Everyone really understood about un-training and re-training and mixed messages/signals. Everyone really does appreciate that he is so well behaved (except for his little attitude sometimes lol) and expressed that seeing the results in his behavior and obedience makes it more clear as to why it seems I'm hard on him.
Ah! We were posting at the same time! So glad George showed what he can do to your family. That was a great idea you had to help them understand your reasoning behind his training. Hopefully they won't forget, and you and George can move forward with his training from this point speedily with no set backs. Good luck!
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