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Old 04-02-2014, 06:27 PM
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Hi all, I have a 16 /17 week old chi and he is doing quite well with holding all day while I'm at work but sometimes has accidents when we're home and he's active. This happens when I forget or I'm too late to let him out within an hour of a meal. As far as I can gather, while I am at work, he stays in his cage most of the day sleeping and this is probably why he does not wee and poo whenever we are out. His current set up is a tiny cage (door open), inside a pen with newspaper and his bowls. My question is, how do I get rid of the pen? I feel that his cage is too small to have him in it for 8 hours but he's not quite ready to roam the house yet - he's not properly house trained and enjoys chewing and climbing into every tiny space that he finds! I have read about bigger cages giving them the impression that they can use one end as a toilet so that's why I bought the small cage. Should I keep the pen up and cage open until he is 100% clean indoors and old enough to roam the house? My house is miniature but the pen is not and it's taking up a lot of space!! How did you manage this if you used a pen and crate. Also, when do I pick up the newspaper? Thanks for your help and advice in advance.




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I never used to pad train once they could hold it. If you want the dog going outside 100% of the time (so you want to get off newspaper/pads totally) then I think you can take them up now. If the dog is holding it all the time when you are gone you don't need to leave them. The trick is when you are home and can't watch him 100% that is the time to put him in the crate. Only allow him to roam around after you are sure he has gone, or when you are watching him like a hawk, otherwise put him in the crate because as you said he should not soil there. Take him out every so often (try setting a timer) and praise a lot for going outside.

I agree with you 8 hours is a long time to leave a puppy just in a small crate, so I would stick with the crate/pen thing while you are gone. Have you considered putting the crate in a bathroom or laundry room instead of a pen though? It is still containing the puppy, you can puppy proof the small area, and you don't have a crate in the middle of your house. A lot of people use their kitchens too, and just put a gate across the threshold. Try looking around, I bet you can find a solution that gets the big thing out of your living room.
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Old 04-03-2014, 02:45 AM
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I would continue to use the playpen with the crate inside. Maybe you could move the crate into the bathroom with pads down there. You are responsible for getting him out often when he is out. If he is making mistakes, they're your fault!! Set a timer for every hour, until you can figure out when he really has to go. Remember, when he is in the crate, he's not moving around, thus he doesn't have to go. When he is free, it's a different story! Also I would use a phrase, such as 'go potty' or 'hurry up' to get him used to going on cue.
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I would continue to use the playpen with the crate inside. Maybe you could move the crate into the bathroom with pads down there. You are responsible for getting him out often when he is out. If he is making mistakes, they're your fault!! Set a timer for every hour, until you can figure out when he really has to go. Remember, when he is in the crate, he's not moving around, thus he doesn't have to go. When he is free, it's a different story! Also I would use a phrase, such as 'go potty' or 'hurry up' to get him used to going on cue.

Yes we have a phrase and I understand it's my fault - I thought I made that clear in my post. Thanks for the advice anyway- doginthedesert made the same points as you so I think I'll use the bathroom idea.


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I never used to pad train once they could hold it. If you want the dog going outside 100% of the time (so you want to get off newspaper/pads totally) then I think you can take them up now. If the dog is holding it all the time when you are gone you don't need to leave them. The trick is when you are home and can't watch him 100% that is the time to put him in the crate. Only allow him to roam around after you are sure he has gone, or when you are watching him like a hawk, otherwise put him in the crate because as you said he should not soil there. Take him out every so often (try setting a timer) and praise a lot for going outside.



I agree with you 8 hours is a long time to leave a puppy just in a small crate, so I would stick with the crate/pen thing while you are gone. Have you considered putting the crate in a bathroom or laundry room instead of a pen though? It is still containing the puppy, you can puppy proof the small area, and you don't have a crate in the middle of your house. A lot of people use their kitchens too, and just put a gate across the threshold. Try looking around, I bet you can find a solution that gets the big thing out of your living room.

Thanks so much for your reply! It was really useful as I hadn't thought of the bathroom before. I can put a baby gate across the kitchen if my OH doesn't like the idea of the bathroom. And I'll also pick up the paper - he hasn't used it for about 10 days anyway which is great!!! I'm off work for two weeks now so crating him unless I can watch him is do-able. Thanks so much! xx


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