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Old 12-01-2015, 02:23 AM
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Sorry this is going to be a longish read.

I have a cute little chi named Joey who is just over a year old. (I haven't even had him for a full year yet) He is so precious.
Anyway like any dog he has his issues and one of those issues is marking inside the house, his isn't neutered, something I wanted done when he was old enough but my mom wanted to wait because she knows a Chi breeder and the breeder said she wanted to use him. He is a really beautiful dog.
The breeder ended up moving so it didn't work out and Joey is still not neutered. Because his is still intact he marks. I have tried everything to get him to stop (only positive) the only thing I can think of that might work is to get him fixed, I know this won't be a magical fix but I am hoping if he stops having the urge to mark as much I can then hopefully train it out of him.

Does anyone know of positive ways to do that? When I take him out of his play pen I always watch him, but because I only have two eyes I can't always see him, so he marks sometimes. Especially if he is in a new part of the house. Something I try to not let happen if I'm not there to reinforce his training.

Also he has a issue that I heard has a lot to do with being intact. He has bitten/nipped at my uncle three times. My uncle is quite loud (in a good way, he is always happy and has a loud laugh) so I think Joey thinks he is a threat and bites him. He hasn't ever drawn blood but I still don't want him to ever do that. I keep him in his playpen when my uncle is visiting but I don't want to always have to do that.

I'm wondering if neutering will help with those issues?
Also will it be a issue with him being a little over a year old? I know it isn't as good for the dog is you it too early. I haven't personally read anything about them being too old.

Now for a different question.
I have heard of people using pee pads for winter when it is cold outside. It gets really cold here and I was wondering if I used pee pads if it would make his marking worse? Or should I at least wait until he is neutered to try it?
Also do pee pads smell at all like pee? My mom has an extremely sensitive nose and if it smelled at all then that wouldn't work for us.

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Old 12-01-2015, 03:40 AM
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Most reputable breeders won't use a dog for stud that hasn't been temperment tested, health of the line checked and a breeding line check, some even require DNA done.

Usually hobby or backyard breeders will take any dog for stud, which usually ends up with ill bred puppies..they're just breeding to sell puppies.

AKC doesn't mean quality,it doesn't even insure purebred since it relies on the honesty of the person breeding..which is why reputable breeders are checking the lineage and doing DNA testing of any breeding dogs they use..

If he's bitten your uncle three times, consider neutering for his sake plus there are so many people just breeding chis and other small dogs without showing or proving the line..

I volunteer with rescue and see what happens with hobby breeders , many end up in shelters , many die in shelters , hoping for a rescue to save them, if they're lucky..
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I already said I was getting him neutered. I just want to know if his age will be a problem. I can't have him marking or biting people so I am obviously going to be getting him fixed.

It wasn't my idea to leave him un-neutered. And this lady was a reputable breeder, Joey wasn't old enough to breed when she wanted to use him. So we hadn't tested him for anything let alone temperament. We did have him vet checked but I'm sure she would have wanted everything done if she was going to use him.

I do disagree with you to a point on the backyard breeding. Puppy mills are the ones who breed to sell puppies, not all backyard breeders. I know of a couple people who ae backyard breeders and yes they do breed mutts because a lot of people can't afford purebred dogs. The pups turn out just fine, maybe even better then some high end dogs do. I'm not saying that all backyard breeders are good, heck there are likely more bad ones then good, I'm just saying they aren't all bad. And not all of the puppies end up in shelters. Likely a lot less then people think.
Also there aren't as many puppies and dogs in shelters as people think, my grandma had to wait months to get a dog from the shelter, it was hard for her because she really wanted a dog and she got lucky that she was at the top of the list. She said that there were at least 3 more pages of people waiting for a dog from the shelter.
Again I'm not saying all places are like that, but where I live there is almost a shortage of dogs. What would happen if everyone stopped backyard breeding? Some dogs would go extinct, the only ones that would be left would be purebred dogs and from what I hear they also have a lot of health problems.

Also a lot of shelter dogs have a lot of issues, issues that can't be easily fixed. I could never own a dog that had been abused, it just wouldn't work, that is why there are backyard breeders, for those of us that can't own dogs from shelters.

Of course everyone should and does have their own opinion, you have yours and I have mine. I'm not in anyway trying to overstep my boundaries. Please let me know if I did that!

I'm also not saying purebred dogs aren't good, Joey is actually a purebred, but I also have a mutt, she is a such a nice dog! I know that without a backyard breeder I would not have my girl right now and that makes me sad just thinking about it!
There really is both sides to each story.

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I volunteer in rescue and in shelters and most of the dogs we get are from back yard breeders, many have issues due to poor breeding stock..they end up in shelters because of irresponsible breeders and owners. I didn't say "all BYB dogs are bad or that they all end up in shelter".. I said "many"..


As for not many dogs or puppies in shelters, depends on the area, some have many and some don't but if you see shelters in larger cities, they're full of chis, maltese, to pit bulls. Many from backyard breeders who breed cheap dogs..

Never heard of people not being able to get a dog from a shelter, though some will check people out and turn them down usually for good reason, where back yard breeders will sell to anyone.

As for puppy mills, I volunteer with rescues that take in puppymill dogs so I know a lot about puppymills.

We also have a lot of backyard breeders who get "AKC registered" dogs, but that's all they do as far as research. Reputable breeders will not sell a dog to anyone without a limited contract, meaning they don't use their dog to breed.

The reason back yard breeders can sell cheap is they don't invest in the line,prove the line, making sure they have a healthy lineage and congenital issues or temperment issues, all they do is look for AKC.
Puppymills have AKC registered dogs for cheap and easy to get for back yard breeders to start their own breeding operation.

Sad that people defend back yard breeding programs when they don't see the results first hand like people in rescue..

I used to think back yard breeders were not a problem until I got more involved at our shelter and rescue.. I asked my friends who BYB'd and they couldn't tell me much about their breeding lines other than "AKC"..

We looked up some of the "breeders", only to find it traced back to puppymills that were shutdown due to FDA violations so they moved and reopened.. they're a bigger problem than puppy mills since they sell to pet stores who sell the puppies for thousands whereas back yard breeders will sell puppies for $150-$500, usually.
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It's hard to get them to stop marking once they've been used for stud.. just saying.. I missread you post about you going to get him neutered,I'm sorry.

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Neutering will only change behaviours that are hormone driven.
It is unlikely that neutering will resolve the marking issue unless he is only marking where intact females have been.
Neutering won't help with aggression towards humans, that is a training issue.
I have two intact males (2 and nearly 5) neither mark in the house or bite people. You don't have to neuter to have a nice pet.
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I volunteer in rescue and in shelters and most of the dogs we get are from back yard breeders, many have issues due to poor breeding stock..they end up in shelters because of irresponsible breeders and owners. I didn't say "all BYB dogs are bad or that they all end up in shelter".. I said "many"..


As for not many dogs or puppies in shelters, depends on the area, some have many and some don't but if you see shelters in larger cities, they're full of chis, maltese, to pit bulls. Many from backyard breeders who breed cheap dogs..

Never heard of people not being able to get a dog from a shelter, though some will check people out and turn them down usually for good reason, where back yard breeders will sell to anyone.

As for puppy mills, I volunteer with rescues that take in puppymill dogs so I know a lot about puppymills.

We also have a lot of backyard breeders who get "AKC registered" dogs, but that's all they do as far as research. Reputable breeders will not sell a dog to anyone without a limited contract, meaning they don't use their dog to breed.

The reason back yard breeders can sell cheap is they don't invest in the line,prove the line, making sure they have a healthy lineage and congenital issues or temperment issues, all they do is look for AKC.
Puppymills have AKC registered dogs for cheap and easy to get for back yard breeders to start their own breeding operation.

Sad that people defend back yard breeding programs when they don't see the results first hand like people in rescue..

I used to think back yard breeders were not a problem until I got more involved at our shelter and rescue.. I asked my friends who BYB'd and they couldn't tell me much about their breeding lines other than "AKC"..

We looked up some of the "breeders", only to find it traced back to puppymills that were shutdown due to FDA violations so they moved and reopened.. they're a bigger problem than puppy mills since they sell to pet stores who sell the puppies for thousands whereas back yard breeders will sell puppies for $150-$500, usually.
The whole puppymill market makes me sick. It really saddens me when I hear of ANYONE breeding in such horrid conditions just for profit. Thank you for being so involved in trying to stop this awful practice.

My Bella was a puppymill dog and she was very aggressive and dominant until I got her at the age of six. It took A LOT of work to get her past that. And she was used to breed despite the fact that she was NOT to breed standard at all.
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The whole puppymill market makes me sick. It really saddens me when I hear of ANYONE breeding in such horrid conditions just for profit. Thank you for being so involved in trying to stop this awful practice.

My Bella was a puppymill dog and she was very aggressive and dominant until I got her at the age of six. It took A LOT of work to get her past that. And she was used to breed despite the fact that she was NOT to breed standard at all.
Thank you for rescuing Bella..
I go to the mills in south eastern Ohio.. It's sooo hard not to say anything when you see such cruelty.. They beat dogs into submission.. We go in, we get them, pay for them and leave..then we drive down the road and cry and swear in disgust..

You can't say a thing at these Amish or Mennonite mills, if you do, they never let you take a dog again. They'd just shoot it..

They deal with it, via 3 S rule.. Shoot Shovel, Shut up...
Legally they can shoot, electrocute, drown or hammer them to death..IT's awful.Many we get are debarked by a rod down their throat, since the barking is deafening.

Most of the ones we rescue are so scared, we have to handle them with thick leather gloves because they bite in fear.. takes a long time to rehab some and others will rehab pretty quickly, in a couple months..
So many we've gotten are so sick, some have died within hours of rescue..

We go to dog auctions ,legal in Ohio and see back yard breeders buying used breeding stock as low as $5, most run about $20- $50 but some pure bred puppies will still go for $500, which they use to replenish breeding stock..
We try to get as many of them as we can to rescue..

I'm not down on breeders..it's just that I know where many byb's in our area get their dogs.. Some even get them from the local pound, since they don't require spay/neuter and you can get them cheap. A lot of the BYB's here network and swap unsold pups too..

Being in rescue, byb's call me all the time to find homes for their used up breeding dogs, they're been used for breeding, not socialized so they aren't used to people,not house broke, health issues..

So sorry if I sound down on hobby , byb's.. even if they're intentions are kind, sadly the lack of research into the health of the line causes issues in future pups. We get calls into rescue from people who bought from a byb and later their dog developed serious health issues and they surrender to rescue because they can't afford to pay for treatment..

Heartbreaking for the owners who love their dog so much but can't afford to treat and never saw it coming..
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