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Old 03-13-2013, 01:13 AM
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I could use some advice. I know basically what to do, but. . .heres the situation.
I gave Angel a trachea tonight to chew on. I wan to encourage chewing. I put him in his crate with it and closed the door. I gave one to Susie, she didn't want hers so I picked it up and went to open his door, because if she doesn't want it then he can come out of his crate. He didnt come out. Well he growled! I am sitting about 3 1/2 feet from his crate. I moved my hand and he growled! Any movement he growls!

Now, the proper thing to do is take it away from him. But he is in his crate! I would have to get him out! But then, what? Does that mean no more trachea? How do I teach him not to growl with that type of treat if I don't let him have it? Of course, I don't actually know how to train him to not growl with super yummy treats!

I thought about holding it while he chews, but I am afraid of being bitten!

Could really use some advice! Right now, I am going to have to "lure" him out with something even more yummy and take it away!
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Old 03-13-2013, 03:55 AM
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With Douglas, who has never done more than a low rumble and now gives up yummy things easily, I insisted. I would handle him and his treat for a few minutes while he ate it. If he growled, it was removed right away accompanied by a PSHHT sound, which he hates, or a growl of my own and a NO. Take a few seconds, and wait for him to focus on me and give eye contact and for the excitement level to drop (excitement can lead to aggression with food). Then I gave it back and went back to petting and touching him and the food. He is now perfect no matter what food he has. I can reach into his mouth and take it.

Don't give those things in the crate for now. Tether him to something so you can reach him easily. If you need to, wear leather gloves. He MUST learn that he cannot guard food! It will transfer to all food and maybe to other things if it is unchecked.
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Old 03-13-2013, 04:20 PM
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There are lots of reasons to give a dog something in his crate. While in the crate, it is HIS. Humans should recognize territory. However outside his crate, then he has to learn not to guard stuff. Teach a reliable 'trade' or 'drop it'. Have a treat that he really doesn't die for, and a die for treat. Give him the treat that he doesn't really get that excited over. As he takes it, say trade or drop it, and give him the really good treat when he reaches for it. Make sure the so so treat is big enough so he can't just swallow it, and then get the good one! Good luck.
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Old 03-13-2013, 04:43 PM
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I can get him to trade. And I do respect his crate, but I don't think he should be able to growl in his crate if I just walk "near" it! I never try to take anything away from him while he has it. Even when we play fetch, I have him drop the toy and sit before I throw it.

I want him to have yummy chew treats, but I don't want him to attack if someone goes near him! I thought about holding it the next time I give it to him, maybe while wearing gloves. He has not earned my "unconditional" trust! He is good most of the time, but I know that he can bite at any time. I want to reduce that chance even more! I just don't know how to go about it! Do I not give him those yummy chews? Do I hold onto it until he learns I wont take it away? I was able to trade with him last night, but he was "on guard" and didn't stray too far away from it! And he had a tough time deciding if he should even take the trade! hehe.

I don't have a problem taking it slow. I just don't know what is the best approach. Never had this problem before.
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Old 03-13-2013, 11:11 PM
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You need to take back control and show him his place in the pack! This is very hard to do with chi's since we do tend to treat them like babies and overindulge with excessive petting and letting them sleep/sit where we do. My behavioral trainer had me quit things cold turkey with Ziggy. He was also growling and raising his upper lip and showing teeth. My trainer said this is always what they do before they eventually bite! There is a great article called "Who's In Charge Here" a lesson in becoming alpha male by Vicki DeGruy. Google it! Worked for me and it even helped with the separation anxiety Ziggy had. There is a lot of info in this article...I decided to choose a few things off the list to help with his growling. First, he wasn't allowed to come in or outside without sitting and staying. I had him stay until I walked in/out the door FIRST and then command "okay" and he was allowed to follow me. I taught him to "heel" while walking. Another way for a dog to be in control of you by walking ahead. I didn't allow him to sit and hang out on the couch with us for about 1 month. He has his crate and also a cozy bed in another room that he can choose from. He isn't allowed in our room which is considered our "den" and he patiently sits and waits outside the door now. His crate is HIS "den". I don't typically give him bones or treats in his crate unless I'm going to be gone to work or running errands. That special treat is his mini kong with all natural organic peanut butter straight from the freezer...about a tiny teaspoon worth stuffed inside. I give him his bully or venison cakes in his cozy bed in the other room. Locking him in his crate is his safe space and therefore he is only protecting his space/den. I also have him sit on command before petting and receiving his meals. You would be surprised how affective the tips are in that article!!! I had to slowly allow him back on the couch with us only at night while watching TV about 1 month after starting this training process. He hasn't growled since! And I can take away any treat/bone by saying "off". Good luck!
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Old 03-14-2013, 01:18 PM
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You need to take back control and show him his place in the pack! This is very hard to do with chi's since we do tend to treat them like babies and overindulge with excessive petting and letting them sleep/sit where we do. My behavioral trainer had me quit things cold turkey with Ziggy. He was also growling and raising his upper lip and showing teeth. My trainer said this is always what they do before they eventually bite! There is a great article called "Who's In Charge Here" a lesson in becoming alpha male by Vicki DeGruy. Google it! Worked for me and it even helped with the separation anxiety Ziggy had. There is a lot of info in this article...I decided to choose a few things off the list to help with his growling. First, he wasn't allowed to come in or outside without sitting and staying. I had him stay until I walked in/out the door FIRST and then command "okay" and he was allowed to follow me. I taught him to "heel" while walking. Another way for a dog to be in control of you by walking ahead. I didn't allow him to sit and hang out on the couch with us for about 1 month. He has his crate and also a cozy bed in another room that he can choose from. He isn't allowed in our room which is considered our "den" and he patiently sits and waits outside the door now. His crate is HIS "den". I don't typically give him bones or treats in his crate unless I'm going to be gone to work or running errands. That special treat is his mini kong with all natural organic peanut butter straight from the freezer...about a tiny teaspoon worth stuffed inside. I give him his bully or venison cakes in his cozy bed in the other room. Locking him in his crate is his safe space and therefore he is only protecting his space/den. I also have him sit on command before petting and receiving his meals. You would be surprised how affective the tips are in that article!!! I had to slowly allow him back on the couch with us only at night while watching TV about 1 month after starting this training process. He hasn't growled since! And I can take away any treat/bone by saying "off". Good luck!
That is exactly what I do!! Believe it or not I am somewhat of a disciplinarian (if thats a word!) Even when my kids were young! I was the one who did the disciplining. Hubby said, "Mommy's gonna get you, better watch out!" I had seen too many spoiled kids and decided mine wouldn't be. And when we got our three dogs (all at once pretty much) I went to obedience school, did not feed them from the table, and was fairly strict with them. They even had "quiet time" after nine o'clock.

Angel does not go out the door unless I am out first, he sits and I say come. He sits and waits for his meals. I put the food down, talk to him a bit and then give the okay! He is not allowed on any furniture. If he is in my lap, it is because he is invited. If he gets in my lap with an invitation, I put him down, wait about 10-20 seconds and then invite him up. Sometimes I just put him off and say "no." He sleeps in his crate in our bedroom. He rides in the car in a carrier. If he is in my lap or get up on furniture when he shouldn't he will get down with "off" command! He is a tough one to figure! I want him to have these yummy treats, but without growling. Tonight I am going to try wearing gloves and holding it while he chews it. I don't have any other ideas.

When I am in the kitchen fixing supper he will stay in his safe spot. He may stray once or twice, but he goes back if I just look at him.

Now, here may lie my problem: hubby is not on board with training! He is fine with him just the way he is! But I refuse that I CANNOT train him myself! I have started "butting in!" when he is not behaving the way I want him to with my husband! I may end up in an argument or two, but I cannot have this dog biting!

I am going to check out the article you recommended. I am open to any more suggestions.

Last night surprised my husband. We were sitting in the living room and Angel was in his lap. He got down and came over to me. I invited him up and hubby was taken aback! hehehe.

I also need to note that I have a golden retriever. She is actually amazing! The only thing I work with her on is her greeting people! haha She is a super good dog!
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Old 03-16-2013, 05:04 AM
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Well it sounds like you are doing things right! I have the same problem with my fiancé! He doesn't make Ziggy follow the rules like I do! haha Ziggy only listens to my commands and always wants to come sit with me etc. I guess we are the pack "leader" and my trainer said my boyfriend needs to help with the training too. Otherwise Ziggy will think HE is 2nd in command in the house and still have problems with growling and behavioral issues. I'm hoping he starts soon and realizes how important this is! I'm just trying to train my dog to be well rounded, not spoiled, social and independent! ha!

I wonder if your bigger dog makes the little one feel like he has to protect his treats? I know when I had 2 dogs (both passed years ago) at the same time I had to be sure I didn't show the bigger dog more attention in front of her. Or make her feel less loved/important. The bigger dog was a doberman pinscher. He would sometimes try to dominate her when I wasn't looking! My former chi would act out and get aggressive if I didn't let her know she was equal. Or even loved a little more! haha!

Anyway, I think your idea of holding the bone with a glove on while in the mouth is a great idea! Maybe try doing it in a spot (not crate or where you normally sit) and see if that works. If he starts to growl I would say "NO" very sternly so he knows it is a bad behavior and try to take it away by saying "off" so he gets the idea...after practicing a few times. I didn't know this before...my trainer said the worst thing to teach your dog is tug of war and play growl with him because dogs don't know how to differentiate that from playing/vs protecting their territory and treats. Does he also growl if you try to pet him while eating? I pet Ziggy on his back right after I have him sit, stay and then "okay" for him to eat. Only for a second. He used to stop eating and look at me from the side....now he doesn't care if I do. Btw forgot to mention he is a rescue. Who knows the conditions/bullying he came from. So I had my work cutout! The training helped so much. He's such a sweet lil guy now! I'm so happy I found him!,! Good luck!
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Dogs DO know how to play and that it is different than treats. Douglas LOVES tug and growls and tumbles and is all around quite ferocious. But the game has rules here. I command him to pull, and also to stop. He doesn't start the game. I do.

That's the difference. He won't guard food or treats at all.
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