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Old 04-02-2013, 03:05 PM
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Basil has always been super high energy and quite headstrong but I am running into trouble getting him to understand "No" and the result is that we are in something of a power struggle,

For example , he has gotten into the habit of digging me and my clothes. As soon as he starts up I tell him No. If he repeats I gently move him back and say No and finally if he does it again he goes down on the floor if we are on the sofa. The result is that he usually tries to mouth on me (Definitely not nip or bite, but I feel this could escalate) as I lift him down and then jump straight back into what he wants to do. Invariably I end up saying No louder and louder which I know doesn't help. If this happens he then jumps around and towards me and barks at me and if I tell him no whilst pointing at him he jumps at my finger. I have ended up putting him in his crate even though I know it shouldn't be a punishment because It was really upsetting me and I didn't want the cheeky thing to see that! hehe

I've tried swapping No for a growl and showing a bit of teeth, he does the same jump towards me, I hesitate to say he lunges at me but maybe it is that?

We practice NILIF and he obeys like a trooper, except when it comes to No. I practice positive reinforcement in all areas but the pup needs to be told when he is doing something that is not acceptable like digging at people or trying to steal our food. He does all the other "non alpha" stuff like lets me walk infront on a loose leash, lets me walk out the door first etc, will roll over for tummy rubs and such, he just freaking hates being told off and acts out!

So I guess I am mainly thinking, is this a dominance issue and does anyone have any ideas to try. I am not massively keen on rolling him over, mainly because anything "handsy" or aggressive like the growl/snarl seems to stimulate him more (My OH puppy wrestles with him and plays with him with out toys, although the pup knows never to try and play with me like that!)
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I am sorry for the question but what is NILIF?

Does he know "stay"?
I think your way so far is correct and that's what I would have done. When he does not listen to no he goes on the floor. As he keeps jumping up I would teach him stay (usually Rocky knows exactly what we want when we say stay and he will stay). So he knows you want him to stay down.
It seems that he thinks its a just a game/play instead of him having to go off the sofa because of an unwanted behaviour.
To be honest I would only say NO once and then put him down without another comment. Also try to keep him down (by either teaching him stay or by blocking him to get on).
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I would not give him chances. He has to learn what no means by getting the same response every time.
For instance with him digging. Do not give him chances by saying no and then seeing if he stops saying no again and then if he continues you put him on the floor. If he digs on you say no and immediately put him on the floor. Right now he doesn't know what to expect when you say no. He is going to test to see if he can continue so taking out if the situation immediately so he can't continue after you say no works better when they are learning.


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My favorite "No"s are a few squirts from a water bottle; or a soda can filled with coins that you use by doing a quick few shakes in their direction. Really, you are just trying to think of something that will catch them off guard/startle them; and be interpreted as unpleasant. To emphasize either one even more, use your body language and turn away from him; reinforcing that when he carries on like that, he gets the very opposite effect he want; you (his favorite-est person in the whole wild world!!) ignore him -and- he gets a very annoying result. ^_^ Some dogs just take more to startle them. Especially well socialized dogs are often more difficult to surprise, because they are desensitized to so much. That said I find there are many, many ways to annoy a dog and get the point across rather than resorting to phsyical reprimand of any kind. =D
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I am sorry for the question but what is NILIF?

Does he know "stay"?
I think your way so far is correct and that's what I would have done. When he does not listen to no he goes on the floor. As he keeps jumping up I would teach him stay (usually Rocky knows exactly what we want when we say stay and he will stay). So he knows you want him to stay down.
It seems that he thinks its a just a game/play instead of him having to go off the sofa because of an unwanted behaviour.
To be honest I would only say NO once and then put him down without another comment. Also try to keep him down (by either teaching him stay or by blocking him to get on).
NILIF is a training technique. It stands for nothing in life is free. The simplest example would be feeding time for a dog. If they want yummy food they have to sit or do something specific in order to get the food. It is a great technique. If you search NILIF on this forum I am sure you will get loads of information about it.


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Thanks for explaining. That's what I do just had no idea about the shortcut .
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Have you tried a different word like "Hey!"? Kalisee started to really obey alot at around 6 months old. Now she listens 99.9% of the time. The only trouble I have is when we are out on walks where she has not mastered being fearful.


I remember when she was in a playful mood, saying No was not a word she would listen to. I changed it to Hey or stop! Now, even when playful she will back off.

The spray bottle is a good idea.
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Thankyou for all the suggestions, He only knows "sit" and "drop it" effectively at the moment but we are working on stay, leave it and spin round too so hopefully once he is good with stay I can use that to help keep him on the floor. I have also got a little spray bottle that I am going to use for when he is already on the floor doing something he shouldn't be!
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