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Old 08-05-2016, 02:37 PM
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I really don't like that bortadella. It's a terrible disease for any pup to get, but the intranasal is a live vaccine and they do get a very mild form of it. Phoebe honked for two weeks straight after we got her from the pound and they gave an internasal. Taggert got his too, and with him, he didn't honk, but foxxy got sick from taggert's innoculation and honked for about two weeks, and she was on prednisone for a reaction to heartgard at the time. I don't board my dogs so they don't get it at all any more.

With sick puppies you can absolutely go back to goat milk or milk replacer. the 4-8 week weaning is't completely set in stone as far as a liquid vs. solid meal goes. Some pups take longer to mature. If you need to keep a liquidy, mushy diet for longer, and the pup needs more protein, whey protein might be added, or even blood meal. I don't know, I prefer blood meal or straight up blood if you can get it (like the kind you get from the butcher to make black pudding) over egg for dogs that need more protein. Egg has enzymes in it that block B vitamins. Blood has more dissolved vitamins and minerals. Dogs are carnivores, so they can easily digest blood.

and no soy. Soy is actually hard on their kidneys. But as for the aspiration pneumonia, that can happen to any pup. Likely, he aspirated because he was just barely learning how to eat his mush. That happens all the time. The second thing that happens is that the pup's stomach refluxes because there is a valve that may not be fully formed yet and they aspirate the reflux. That's also too common and completely unpreventable. It's not a failure to thrive, it was just something that happens sometimes, and we can't do anything to prevent it. A dog has to learn to eat solids. Sometimes things don't go well. Accidents happen. But sometimes looking for the answer is actually more harmful. He was very loved for his brief time. That's all that really matters.

I am so sad for what happened to your pup. being a puppy is so hard. There's so much that they have to do and develop and learn in just a few short weeks, and so much can go wrong at any time with nobody's fault at all but just plain old bad luck. It's so sad when they don't make it.

That still does not mean you should listen to a junk science anti-vaxxer opinion like the article you put up there. as much as the vaccine is a pain in the butt it still works to train your dog's immune system. Bortadella is no fun. neither is rabies, parvo, distemper, and the host of other things in that combo shot. I know you are looking for answers to what happened. "Holistic" methods that include homeopathy to solve various "miasms" and "agues" are straight up medieval. pseudoscience is not the way to get those answers.

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I am glad your pups are doing well! Thank you for explaining that to me.

I'm definitely no anti-vaxxer, but I do have concerns with over-vaccinating as well as something that may be unnecessary. Now, I don't know if this is what happened, obviously I am searching for answers to my heartache as well as trying to come to terms that there may be none. It may just be a sad thing that happened, I agree. He was eating solid food until 3 days after his vaccinations and I found him hypo, after which he refused literally everything offered to him. Minus the lettuce and puppy teething ring a few days later. It definitely makes me question how/if vaccines affected anything.

My breeder has offered me first pick in her next litter, and I am not sure I will do a bordatella vaccine again. Or I may consider breaking it up and doing it at an older age. Obv, core vaccines like distemper, parvo etc are no question.
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I'd get the 'core' vaccines and forget the bordatella. One of my groomers demanded that my dog get that vaccine. I got a new groomer! I had a chi that I got that vaccine. (vet really pushed it, I was going to a dog camp in vermont) The poor dog GOT kennel cough from the vaccine, and spent the week in my car, my room, and any other place the other 100 dogs were not! Fortunately my other chi did not get it, nor did my roommates Sheltie. I'm so glad that your breeder has offered you first pick next litter.
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I am leaning toward not doing bordatella. I'm glad your chi was okay, it sucks he got kennel cough from it!!

I asked my vet about the dose because I had read somewhere they use the same dose for all dogs regardless of size, and she confirmed they did but only used about 3/4 of the vaccines instead of the whole dose. Have you any experience/advice with this?

I am thankful as well. We were in constant contact from the getgo. I really value her kindness and integrity.
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Old 08-06-2016, 03:05 AM
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There is ongoing debate about giving chihuahuas and other tiny breeds the same dosage of vaccines that Labs, Boxers and other medium/big dogs get. Most if not all vets give the same dosage; period. Most babies get through the vaccinations OK. My 4 pound baby got really sick and needed fluids and medications. I doubt I will give her the 3 year boosters they now recommend. Rabies, unfortunately, you have to get every year/or 3 years.
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