I need help with a kibble only available in Germany - Chihuahua Forum : Chihuahua Breed Dog Forums
 
Chihuahua Forum : Chihuahua Breed Dog Forums


Chihuahua-People.com is the premier Chihuahua Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.

Go Back   Chihuahua Forum : Chihuahua Breed Dog Forums > Chihuahuas > Chihuahua Diet and Nutrition > Pre Made Food

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-29-2013, 10:30 AM
chi fan
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Germany
Posts: 87
Thanks: 15
Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts
Default I need help with a kibble only available in Germany

I was asking myself if Pixie's kibble is ok for her. I already researched like crazy before I got her, made a list of good ones to try out for her. She is a very good eater and would eat anything you give her, so I had no real issues with that plus she seems to have no tummy issues. Her poop is very small, but at least two times a day - but I heard some dogs are just like that. Besides that, I'm asking myself if her food is really that good. I already graded it with this instruction https://www.chihuahua-people.com/chih...dogs-food.html and I got a 93. I wasn't sure about one or two things, so this is only approximate.

Can someone help to decipher the ingredients?
28% dried poultry meat meal,
brown maize meal,
brown rice meal,
8% game tripe meal,
5% venison bone meal,
maize germs,
Jerusalem artichoke meal,
beet root meal,
5% sea fish meal,
linseed oil,
rapeseed oil (cold pressed),
fruit powder ( Acticell: carobs, pineapples, papayas, bananas, acerola cherries, apples, pears, blueberries, mangos, raspberries),
herbs,
2% powdered egg yolk,
dried peat,
dried herb mixture,
salmon oil,
dried Mojave yucca,
seaweed meal.


Analysis:
Crude protein
25 %

Crude fat
10.5 %

Crude fibre
3.3 %

Crude ash
7 %

Calcium
1.3 %

Phosphate
1.0 %

Sodium
0.39 %

Magnesium
0.18 %

Potassium
0.69 %

Iron / kg
200 mg


Nutritional- physiological- supplements per kg

Vitamins, pro-vitamins and substances with similar effects:

Vitamin A
10500 i.E.

Vitamin D³
1050 i.E.

Vitamin E
200 mg

Vitamin B1
as thiamine mononitrate
3.5 mg

Vitamin B2
as riboflavin
7.0 mg

Vitamin B6
as pyridoxine hydrochloride
4.2 mg

Vitamin B12
42 mcg

Biotin
as D-(+)-Biotin
210 mcg

Folic acid
0.35 mg

Niacin
21.0 mg

Vitamin C
as L-ascorbic acid
140 mg

Pantothenic acid
as calcium D-pantothenate
7.0 mg

Choline chloride
1050 mg


Trace elements
Cobalt as cobalt (II)
sulphate heptahydrate
1.0 mg

Manganese
as manganese (II) oxide
48 mg

Copper
as copper (II) oxide
10 mg

Zinc
as zinc oxide
65 mg

Iodine
as calcium iodate
1.6 mg


Source: Markus-Mühle

So, what do you think? I'm also thinking of adding glucosamin/chondroitin to her diet - but I read somewhere that it is often already in the kibble?

Thanks a lot in advance!!
__________________
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #2  
Old 11-29-2013, 11:24 AM
Wicked Pixie's Avatar
Administrator
chi god/godess
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Name: Stella
Location: Frome, Somerset, UK
Posts: 5,713
Thanks: 230
Thanked 1,604 Times in 1,261 Posts
Default

The main issue I would have with this food is the large amount of grain. It has maize as the second ingredient and rice as the third. The meat used is also highly processed dried meat meal, rather than actual meat. Compare your brand to a top quality brand like Orijen, to see what goes into a really good kibble.
I would look for a grain-free option ideally, with a higher meat content. Orijen, Acana, Fromm all do grain free kibbles, I don't know what you have available in Germany though. Good UK brands include Eden, Millies Wolfhart, Simpsons 80:20, canagan if you can get any of those.
__________________
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-29-2013, 12:05 PM
chi god/godess
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Name: Lisa
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 4,436
Thanks: 228
Thanked 451 Times in 420 Posts
Default

I agree with Stella. Here is some info to help you know what you're looking for. Know that dog food companies can say what ever they want on the front of the bag without consequence, but the truth has to be accurate when it comes to the ingrediants.
Dog Food Nutrition Labels: Ingredients, Preservatives, Chemicals, and More
__________________



[url=http://www.TickerFactory.com/]
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote
 
  #4  
Old 11-29-2013, 12:08 PM
chi god/godess
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 1,352
Thanks: 102
Thanked 249 Times in 232 Posts
Default

Orijen, Acana and Ziwipeak are available in Germany
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-29-2013, 12:31 PM
chi fan
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Germany
Posts: 87
Thanks: 15
Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts
Default

Thanks for your replies! Well, Orijen and Acana are out of the question for me for various issues (questionable by products... ) and both belong to the same company.
I just checked two or three Acana foods and every had dried meat meal. For a (dry , not semi-moist) kibble, the meat has to be dried somewhere along the production line, right? And listing the already dried product is more transparent. There you go:
Like packaged food for people, pet food must list ingredients by weight, starting with the heaviest. But if the first ingredient is a type of meat, keep in mind that meat is about 75% water, according to the FDA.
Without that water weight, the meat probably would fall lower on the ingredient list.
Meat meals, such as chicken meal or meat and bone meal, are different; most of the water and fat have been removed, which concentrates the animal protein.


Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate your help! But I want to find out if a food is really that good, before I spend 10€/kg.

@miuccias
I've only heard of Ziwipeak on this forum, just checked one of the biggest online shops, they don't have it.
__________________

Last edited by NinaN; 11-29-2013 at 12:35 PM.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-29-2013, 12:36 PM
chi god/godess
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 1,352
Thanks: 102
Thanked 249 Times in 232 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NinaN View Post
Thanks for your replies! Well, Orijen and Acana are out of the question for me for various issues (questionable by products... ) and both belong to the same company.
I just checked two or three Acana foods and every had dried meat meal. For a (dry , not semi-moist) kibble, the meat has to be dried somewhere along the production line, right? And listing the already dried product is more transparent. There you go:
Like packaged food for people, pet food must list ingredients by weight, starting with the heaviest. But if the first ingredient is a type of meat, keep in mind that meat is about 75% water, according to the FDA.
Without that water weight, the meat probably would fall lower on the ingredient list.
Meat meals, such as chicken meal or meat and bone meal, are different; most of the water and fat have been removed, which concentrates the animal protein.


Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate your help! But I want to find out if a food is really that good, before I spend 10€/kg.

@miuccias
I've only heard of Ziwipeak on this forum, just checked one of the biggest online shops.
I feed ZP to my puppies, Orijen and Acana are one of the best kibbles out there though. Eden is also great but to my acknowledge unavailable in Germany. I buy Ziwipeak from your country.
Which one is the biggest online store?
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-29-2013, 12:40 PM
chi god/godess
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 1,352
Thanks: 102
Thanked 249 Times in 232 Posts
Default

also ZP probably wont be good enough for you as is air-dried meat.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-29-2013, 01:13 PM
chi fan
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Germany
Posts: 87
Thanks: 15
Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts
Default

@miuccias
Oh, you misunderstood me. I'm not against it as meat has to be dried anyway to produce kibble. Acana also lists dried meat meal.

I checked fressnapf.de and zooplus.de - Fressnapf has shops, too which is a plus for me as I can easily buy it from there if I have to.

I just checked a few online sellers - Ziwipeak is about 80€ for 5kg. I know that quality food is indeed expensive. But I fear prices like this are out of the question for me. I feel bad to admit that...
__________________
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT. The time now is 07:19 AM.



Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
© Chihuahua People 2004-2009
PetGuide.com
Basset Hound Forum Doberman Forum Golden Retriever Forum Beagle Forum
Boxer Forum Dog Forum Pit Bull Forum Poodle Forum
Bulldog Forum Fish Forum Havanese Forum Maltese Forum
Cat Forum German Shepherd Forum Labradoodle Forum Yorkie Forum Hedgehog Forum
Chihuahua Forum Retriever Breeds Cichlid Forum Dart Frog Forum Mice Breeder Forum