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Old 07-02-2013, 10:00 AM
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So far, my two have done great with chicken and pork, but NOT beef!

It could be that they haven't had a good bony meal in a few days, but they've both had runny and/or loose stools lately. George just woke me up at 4am to go out and insisted in going. Me, thinking he was just being spoiled, ignored him and when he could hold it no more, poor baby pooped in his crate. I felt so bad that I brought him to bed with me, but he wouldn't settle down and finally got up and 'finished' on one of my pillows. 😧 He's back in his kennel now.

It's either beef, not enough bone, or raw egg that's the culprit. They haven't had bones in a few days. I was feeding them chicken wings regularly with organ ever couple of days. Then some pork for a little while, some beef liver and chicken gizzard... All of which went over well. This didn't start till I reduced the amount of bones and added more beef.

I was told that the amount of chicken I was feeding was too much bone and that beef should be the staple. Is it possible that some don't tolerate beef all that well and some do need more bone than others? Could it be too many raw eggs so close together? I was in a pinch and my eggs are free, so I uses them.

I haven't been specifically measuring the quantities of bone and organ either. Now that I'm writing it all out, things are a little more clear. Maybe just not enough bone?

Today they're going to each get a Cornish hen of their own. That's got plenty of bone so maybe that will straighten them out?


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All of the above It also sounds like you have introduced too many new things too quickly perhaps. How long have they been on raw?
A lot of dogs don't tolerate beef well. Too much egg will make my lot loose, and they are all experienced raw feeders. The amount of bone each dog needs can vary hugely.
Go back to basics. Use the bone in chicken, and other meats you know they tolerate well and allow the stool to firm up. Then add a little beef again. If all is well add a little more at the next meal, and a little more until they are eating whole meals of beef. If they really can't tolerate beef, then you will need to feed other red meats such as lamb and venison instead.
I feed one raw egg a week, with shell, between my three. Larger quantities will cause loose stools as eggs are very rich, just like organs. As with the beef, wait until things are back to normal, and re-introduce them slowly.
You don't need to religiously measure everything, just be aware of what the correct amounts for your dogs look like. Then adjust according to the consistency of their stool.
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I agree 100% with Stella. Too much too soon. Go back to what worked before. The cornish hens should be just fine.

Once you want to start adding in a new protein, like beef, add in ONE BITE at a time. Not a whole meal. Then gradually decrease the familiar chicken and add in a bit more beef.

Some dogs can't tolerate eggs until they are very experienced raw eaters. They are notorious for causing loose stools. I wouldn't do eggs until your dog is completely switched over to raw and having no issues. I do one egg every couple of weeks.

Keep some chicken wing tips in your freezer. When you see a loose stool, give them one. They will firm right up.

Edited to add: Just reread your post. They aren't each getting a whole cornish hen are they? Just checking. A typical meal is 1-2 ounces. A cornish hen is 8 meals. Overfeeding is another very common cause of loose bowels. Be absolutely sure you are not overfeeding.
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I agree 100% with Stella. Too much too soon. Go back to what worked before. The cornish hens should be just fine.

Once you want to start adding in a new protein, like beef, add in ONE BITE at a time. Not a whole meal. Then gradually decrease the familiar chicken and add in a bit more beef.

Some dogs can't tolerate eggs until they are very experienced raw eaters. They are notorious for causing loose stools. I wouldn't do eggs until your dog is completely switched over to raw and having no issues. I do one egg every couple of weeks.

Keep some chicken wing tips in your freezer. When you see a loose stool, give them one. They will firm right up.

Edited to add: Just reread your post. They aren't each getting a whole cornish hen are they? Just checking. A typical meal is 1-2 ounces. A cornish hen is 8 meals. Overfeeding is another very common cause of loose bowels. Be absolutely sure you are not overfeeding.
I gave them the each a whole hen, but they didn't eat all of it! Only what they wanted. I let George go a little more b/c he's a growing puppy. I'm comfortable with the amounts they ate b/c of the bone content and that they tolerate chicken very well.

Thank you so much for taking the time to read and help me out, I appreciate it a lot.
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All of the above It also sounds like you have introduced too many new things too quickly perhaps. How long have they been on raw?
A lot of dogs don't tolerate beef well. Too much egg will make my lot loose, and they are all experienced raw feeders. The amount of bone each dog needs can vary hugely.
Go back to basics. Use the bone in chicken, and other meats you know they tolerate well and allow the stool to firm up. Then add a little beef again. If all is well add a little more at the next meal, and a little more until they are eating whole meals of beef. If they really can't tolerate beef, then you will need to feed other red meats such as lamb and venison instead.
I feed one raw egg a week, with shell, between my three. Larger quantities will cause loose stools as eggs are very rich, just like organs. As with the beef, wait until things are back to normal, and re-introduce them slowly.
You don't need to religiously measure everything, just be aware of what the correct amounts for your dogs look like. Then adjust according to the consistency of their stool.
Thank you for your help! As I got to the end of my post, I realized that I needed to go back to basics, back to stuff that they handle well, and go from there.

Thanks for the tips about adding beef. I'll take that route when the time comes.
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Well, I am learning that just like human babies, our chi's are unique and require their own unique diet. Not a one-size-fits-all.

I really do think that my two (at least for now) need more bone and aren't ready for beef.

Good to know about the eggs! I'll cut that back to once or twice a week.

Thanks again to both of you! I was almost ready to give up. I'm glad I didn't and that this is fixable and manageable. Very happy about that. I'm much more comfortable with the chicken wings, pork, gizzard, and chicken livers as beef liver comes out like black tar.
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Well, I am learning that just like human babies, our chi's are unique and require their own unique diet. Not a one-size-fits-all.

Dodie, one of the best things about feeding a home made diet is exactly that, you can tailor the diet to the individual dog's requirements.
As they are new to raw, just go slowly, there is no rush to try everything Once they are fully transitioned, (which will take a couple of months) then you can start to work on adding variety.
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"Can take a couple of months" - That's excellent info! I, in my gut, had a feeling that they needed to just stay on the first few things I cave them, the chicken wings, pork, chicken livers and gizzards for at least a month. For some reason that time frame resonated with me.
It was a different forum/group that told me otherwise. That group can be hard-core and militant. I knew when I got involved with them not to take them too seriously and to rely more heavily on this forum for guidance. I was right, and you are proof
I'm so relived that I can take it slow and tailor things to their needs. I was so stressed trying to figure out how and exactly when to introduce everything and if they were getting the exact specified amount needed.
You guys are the BEST. It's so nice to be reassured and encouraged, rather than criticized for not 'doing it right'.
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