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Old 12-01-2013, 11:09 AM
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So I've been feeding my 10-year-old Chihuahua-Poodle raw treats on and off for the past few months. He really enjoyed chicken necks and marrow bones.

He absolutely hates pre-made raw food--I have no idea why. It's still raw meat, but he won't go anywhere near it. I decided since he likes REAL raw meat (as in, straight from the butcher's, with no fruits or vegetables), that I would start him on a prey model diet.

I gave him a small beef back rib (I asked the butcher to cut it into small 4-5 inch pieces), with a small amount of meat attached to the bone. I think it equates to maybe about 2-3 ounces. He didn't eat any of the bone, in case anyone is wondering; it's way too thick for him to eat, haha.

He had really severe diarrhea that afternoon, and I can't figure out why. He was totally fine with chicken necks, and raw marrow (which had a LOT more fat).

Then I had the thought to only give him chicken necks for a week or two, until his body is used to a 100% raw diet, so I'll be trying that starting today--but in the meantime, I was curious as to whether anyone might know why he had such severe diarrhea after eating the beef rib.

Anyway, there's that. I also wanted to talk about dehydrated treats. Has anyone heard of dehydrated treats from True Raw Choice? TRC is an Ontario-based company here in Canada, and make really awesome quality products. Family-run, all natural meat sources... Etc.

A customer told me (I work at a pet food store) that there was something on BBC about ALL dehydrated treats having some sort of chemical in them, and that we shouldn't be giving our dogs dehydrated treats.

I know about the glycerine from China that caused all those dogs' deaths in the states some time ago, but I haven't heard anything about dehydrated treats in GENERAL causing problems. Has anyone heard anything??


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There is definitely a recall. Here's the link. I would probably call emergency vet:
True Raw Choice Pet Treats Recall | Dog Food Advisor
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No, the recall was for the bulk duck wings and duck feet. Our store received a letter from TRC indicating that our batch was unaffected. I haven't given them any of the duck wings or duck feet, anyway.
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I don't trust any food that has a recall and even tho the specific food you fed isn't on the list, doesn't mean it isn't affected, maybe just not reported yet. I hope it isn't affected for your puppies sake. The diarrhea may have been caused from several different factors. The transition may have been too quick for his little tummy to handle. He could be allergic to the new meat that was introduced (but highly doubtful, but a possibility). I hope you find out what's causing it. You can always add pure pumpkin to his diet to help firm his stool back up. You also may want to consider giving smaller, more frequent meals for now.
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Beef can cause problems for some dogs, that is why I like to add each new protein separately so I can pinpoint what causes any issues. Go back to just feeding the meats you know he tolerates well and he is having regular good solid stools. Then add a little beef, just a bite or two, and see how he gets on. If he is ok add a little more to the next meal. I have transitioned four dogs onto raw this way, and only one had trouble with a new protein, which was also beef. I re-introduced it very gradually as described, and she is perfectly fine with beef now.
I also have two puppies who were weaned onto raw, and they won't eat pre-made raw either. I think it must be the fruit and veg.
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Like I said, I have NOT given my dog any of the dehydrated duck wings/feet yet. This company is a really reliable one; it was the factory's fault that there was a salmonella contamination, not TRC's.

That is not the point of this thread in the first place; I'd like to cease deviating from the main point of this thread, thank you!

The point that the beef may have been introduced too quickly sounds very plausible. I don't believe he is allergic to beef, because he is completely fine with beef marrow bones. I also cut out a lot of the meat on the beef rib that I gave him.

I'll stick to the chicken necks, and slowly introduce other proteins.

Lastly, has anyone read anything about dehydrated treats in general? I know that meat cooked over a certain temperature creates carcinogens in the meat (hence why raw meat is better for dogs than cooked ones). The customer who told me about dehydrated treats being dangerous was saying how the dehydration process creates some sort of chemicals in the meat... But that was the first I'd heard of it. Any insight would be great.
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Like I said, I have NOT given my dog any of the dehydrated duck wings/feet yet. This company is a really reliable one; it was the factory's fault that there was a salmonella contamination, not TRC's.

That is not the point of this thread in the first place; I'd like to cease deviating from the main point of this thread, thank you!

The point that the beef may have been introduced too quickly sounds very plausible. I don't believe he is allergic to beef, because he is completely fine with beef marrow bones. I also cut out a lot of the meat on the beef rib that I gave him.

I'll stick to the chicken necks, and slowly introduce other proteins.

Lastly, has anyone read anything about dehydrated treats in general? I know that meat cooked over a certain temperature creates carcinogens in the meat (hence why raw meat is better for dogs than cooked ones). The customer who told me about dehydrated treats being dangerous was saying how the dehydration process creates some sort of chemicals in the meat... But that was the first I'd heard of it. Any insight would be great.
Excuse me no need to be rude you came on here to ask a question,people are just trying to help you
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Like I said, I have NOT given my dog any of the dehydrated duck wings/feet yet. This company is a really reliable one; it was the factory's fault that there was a salmonella contamination, not TRC's.

That is not the point of this thread in the first place; I'd like to cease deviating from the main point of this thread, thank you!

The point that the beef may have been introduced too quickly sounds very plausible. I don't believe he is allergic to beef, because he is completely fine with beef marrow bones. I also cut out a lot of the meat on the beef rib that I gave him.

I'll stick to the chicken necks, and slowly introduce other proteins.

Lastly, has anyone read anything about dehydrated treats in general? I know that meat cooked over a certain temperature creates carcinogens in the meat (hence why raw meat is better for dogs than cooked ones). The customer who told me about dehydrated treats being dangerous was saying how the dehydration process creates some sort of chemicals in the meat... But that was the first I'd heard of it. Any insight would be great.
I will not comment and I do wish you well in finding the cause.
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