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Old 04-12-2014, 07:17 PM
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My dog arwen was diagnosed with high liver numbers, a MVD is suspected. She's eaten Stella and chewy for 2 years, would the raw diet be a reason for her numbers being off? Also, I've read recently that perhaps stella and Chewy's isn't the amazing product I thought it was. The fat content on the freeze dried raw patties is sort of high, does anyone have any reccomendations? or is raw unsuitable to her because of her liver issues?
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I'd also like to add in that I wasn't re-hydrating the patties, I started doing that today, I'm not sure how much that plays into it?
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I look forward to seeing what advise others with more knowledge have to give you. I can only tell you how I would do if she were mine. I would not forsake the raw diet. I can't imagine any situation where a raw diet would be detrimental to her, but I can certainly understand your thinking as it's so natural to consider kibble to be the "natural" or "normal" food for a dog to eat and raw food to be the thing to cause the problem if we do have an issue with our pets health. I had fed kibble for so many years and have just started feeding commercial raw in the past couple of years and still haven't made the leap to homemade raw! lol That is my own personal evolution of thought on dog food. As for Stella & Chewy, we just had a thread about their ash content which seems to be a bit high. Zorana also feeds S & C as a topper, and she has one dog that has tested with elevated liver levels. I have no idea if both of your cases are related and related to S & C as well, and it is a stretch to suggest that, but if it were me I would for sure change brands of raw to be on the safe side. I like Primal freeze dried raw or better yet frozen raw if you are willing to try that.
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I'd also like to add in that I wasn't re-hydrating the patties, I started doing that today, I'm not sure how much that plays into it?
I still would change because the water doesn't alter the content of the food, but I would definitely always add the water. Especially if she isn't very good at drinking water.
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I do know that the blood work of a raw fed dog can be different than a dog fed a kibble diet, not sure what the values should be though. Hopefully someone can send you the link just in case.


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I am so so disappointed in Stella and Chewy, my dogs are even featured on their fan page!! I wish i had known all this earlier, come to think of it my dog never had a seizure or any other problem before switching to s&c, it SICKENS me to think that this could be the cause of all her problems. I have noticed that sometimes her poops looks really pale almost white, and i've always assumed that it was just the way a raw diet came back out. I am going to try primal.
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I am not so sure that S&C is the culprit for Arwens MVD. Usually MVD is a congenital problem. Sure, diet can aggravate it. It's very possible that this would have shown up no matter what she was fed.

I would for SURE add water to all of her meals from now on. The S&C and ALL other freeze dried foods are concentrated. They are meant to be rehydrated to canned food consistency and not fed just dry out of the bag. The nutritional content between dry and water added would be significant.

Raw fed dogs labs can differ from kibble fed dogs, but it usually BUN and creatinine that are elevated, not liver enzymes.

I'm so sorry this happened. So sad when our babies are sick.

I am not real familiar with liver shunt and MVD diet recommendations, but I would definitely look at a supplement like denarmin and/or milk thistle - in addition to a low fat, low protein diet. I think that Dr. Dodds has a liver diet? You could google it. I would also seek the advice and knowledge of others who have dealt with this. Yorkies are very very prone to liver shunts and MVD so that group of folks would be great for info. They have a forum called yorkie talk dot com. Also yahoo groups has a liver group for impaired dogs that would be helpful as well.

Good luck and keep us posted. I know how worried you must be.
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I have Dr. Dodd's liver cleanse diet. I used it with Lulu when she had hepatitis. I'm sorry I didn't even think of you using such a diet in this situation, but I will be happy to email it to you if you want to PM me your email addr. I just emailed it to another member with a list of low, neutral, and high purine foods that you could make yourself familiar with--feed low and neutral, stay away from high--if your want to feed a homemade diet for a bit.

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I would for SURE add water to all of her meals from now on. The S&C and ALL other freeze dried foods are concentrated. They are meant to be rehydrated to canned food consistency and not fed just dry out of the bag. The nutritional content between dry and water added would be significant.
Tracy, I am a huge proponent of adding water to freeze dried raw and kibble if someone feeds kibble. We just had a thread, and I admit I got a bit confused on the adding and taking away of water with regard to the food's ingredients. I hate to be dense, but I always appreciate everything I learn that helps our pets--please help me understand besides changing the weight of the food. How does water change the nutritional content? Am I right in thinking that what it does is dilute it therefore the dog's body doesn't operate in a state of low grade dehydration attempting to process the food?
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