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Old 05-18-2014, 09:43 PM
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Hi all,
I fed a RMB diet to my Pit Bull, Sierra (RIP) for 4 years so am familiar w the diet.

When I got the Chi's, I started them partly on raw and then switched over full-time when they were 9 weeks old.

However, they are not thriving. One or both has had diarrhea too much to my liking. One or both will not eat their food at times unless I hand feed or otherwise encourage. There is no apparent pattern to their lack of appetite or diarrhea when it comes to source. I have fed whole chicken (cut up or smashed), ground beef, turkey wings, turkey necks, turkey backs (so far.)

I also supplement with raw eggs and raw milk yogurt along with some cooked beef/chicken/turkey/fish scraps. But only 10% or so.

My intuition is that I need to keep them on a single protein source for now - like chicken. I do also feed them a sliver of organ meat but not enough to cause the diarrhea.

The real cause of the diarrhea I fear is the treats I use. They are both in training and I use food treats as lures. I had been using high quality treats like liver and freeze-dried raw until I ran out but I also use biscuit-type treats w wheat/grain/veggies etc.

Right now, half of their calories should be coming from treats. I need treats i can bring to a class and keep in my pocket. I can use cooked meat during at-home training.

I am planning on dehydrating a beef heart this week to use as treats but I can't feed half their calories with beef heart...I guess I can try making my own jerky.

Anyone have experience or advice?

ps: I introduced my puppies in the Newbie's corner and posted pictures of BUG and BEAN in the photo section!

pps: Primal freeze-dried crumbles to powder in a bait bag. Need something solid but high quality and clean.

peace, maria B
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I would cut back to a single protein source for now, with no extras until you get the diarrhea under control. Something lean like chicken or rabbit.
You could try something jerky-like as treats, either make your own or Ziwipeak? Personally I dehydrate liver and use that as training treats... but then again I don't use treats much for training.

You can also find other rewards for training - playing their favorite game, or just loves and over the top excitement works for some dogs.
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I like stella and chewys carnivore crunch (duck, duck goose is my packs favorite). I also feed raw and train agility and obedience so I need lots of treats for puppies! I use meat or organs while we are home, but those S&C treats are great for class because they hold up ok in a bag and are really just ground protien of your choice and bone. A little bone in there keeps the poops a little firmer when they are getting a lot! I also like the sirloin patties from Whole Life Pet. They are the only single ingredient freeze dried product that works in a training bag for me (those I break into quarters and even keep in my pocket, they are firm but the dogs love them). Both of these options are very high value for my pack, even my one chi who is touchy about treats sometimes. I know how it is, there is just no way to make something at home in the sort of volume you need for training sometimes, and that you can cart off to class with you. Ziwipeak treats are ok too, but they are big and not as high value for my guys.

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Also why can't half their calories be beef heart? It is a good red meat (the backbone of any good raw diet) and most dogs like it. I feed a lot of beef heart when I get it.

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I use Ziwipeak broken up into tiny pieces for training treats. It is totally compatible with a raw diet, mine never get diarrhoea from it, and they love it. Mine are very food motivated so they like anything though lol. I find the ZiwiPeak the most convenient treat for training when out and about. We tried the Orijen freeze dried treats, they loved them, but they were very crumbly if not fed whole. We also use dried sprats, they break up nicely.
If you already have a dehydrator, then you can make dried treats out of whatever you would normally feed.
As for the diarrhoea, go back to basics for now. No eggs, organs, yoghurt, grain based treats. Stick with one protein until they are firm, then re-introduce everything very gradually. I would avoid the grain based treats entirely though, Chis are so tiny that they can really cause an adverse reaction, so just not worth it IMO.
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Thanks for all the advice.

my experience with beef heart was that even though it is a muscle, my Sierra (Pit) got diarrhea from too much. Maybe the Chi's will be different. I am dehydrating the heart as I type!

Ziwipeak is great and they both love it. Bug is much pickier than Bean and even he loves it. But, I ran out, it is expensive and i am broke haha.

Agree that the grain-based treats need to go - they are all leftovers from my Sierra who could tolerate them very well. They are all too big anyway and Bug doesn't like them.

Have only given chicken for a day now but still soft poop - not diarrhea - just real mushy.

Tomorrow, I get paid and can buy 2 whole chickens!

i noticed that some people feed meet/organ/bone on different days. I tend to use the 75/5/20 ratio. If I had fed Sierra all liver in a day (she ate 1.5 - 2 lbs of meat a day) she would have diarrhea and likewise for bone - she'd have sand coming out her butt! Do Chi's differ that much from large dogs?

I am still feeding them all 3 on a daily basis. They were doing great until this past week when I think I got too much variety.

Also, Sierra tolerated scavenger meals very well. Do Chi's do worse with table scraps? Or could this all be bc they are still very young pups?

THANKS!

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