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Old 06-11-2014, 08:23 PM
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Our new baby girl, 12 weeks and not much over a pound in weight.

First day she ate kibble in the moring but turned her nose up at it the rest of the day, we only had beef in so tried her on the tiniest scrap and she loved it. Poops at the time were Normal, if a little stinky from the kibble. The next day we started her on bone in quail sections, she ate really well all day,completely loved it. That night she had true diarrhoea, every 2 hours or so. In the morning she refused to eat quail but devoured a chicken wing tip so we stuck with chicken for the next 2 full days, her poops moved to bring very loose and mucous-y but just two small ones a day, no blood in the stool. Then last night the true diarrhoea returned and I noticed she has been passing nearly all of the bone fragments she eats. This morning and at lunch she refused chicken and this evening in a bid to get some food in her we gave her boiled chicken and rice which she ate. She still had diarrhoea this afternoon and has not been since so we do not know if the cooked chicken and rice will firm her stool up.

She is lively, wants to play, drinks plenty of water etc but being so tiny I don't know what my next move will be if the cooked chicken and rice doesn't firm her up, do i have to go back to Kibble and hope she eats it? And also if it does work how long can she eat it for with out lacking in nutrients and how do I go about introducing raw back into her diet? Can you do meals of mainly cooked with a little bone in raw at a time?

Sorry for all the questions! It just can't be good for one so small to have a seriously upset tummy for so long, I don't want to put her health in danger. Thanks in advance for any help, she obviously loves raw food, but her tummy can't handle it!
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Old 06-11-2014, 08:53 PM
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Normally puppies transition really well, as their bodies haven't had time to adapt to the kibble.
It sounds like it was too much too quickly for Olive. How soon after bringing her home did you change her diet? I prefer to let pups settle before making any changes, even if that means feeding a rubbish kibble lol.
The bone fragments show she is not digesting the bone yet. If she were mine I would go back to a food you know she can tolerate, even if that is the kibble she was on before. Get her stools solid, then re-introduce raw much more gradually, one protein at a time.
Do you have any Slippery Elm or Tree Barks powder? I always give some after an upset tummy.
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Thanks Stella, I will do that. She refused kibble 2 days after we bought her home so started her on day three.

Any tips if she starts to refuse the kibble again? Even though shes a little 'un is it ok to just keep offering it to her till she gets so hungry she eats it? I have a nutrical type gel that she has a little of every night so can keep her sugars up.

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And im going to look up slippery elm bark in French and see if its in my local health shop has it

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How are her poos today?
I would try giving the kibble with hot water on it to see if that tempts her, was she just on kibble before you had her?
As soon as she is firm you can try raw again, I really think it was just the speed that upset her. You don't know if she reacted badly to the beef, or the quail, or just the changes.
Stick with just one protein until you are getting regular firm poos. Chicken is usually used because it is easy, but no reason not to use quail if that is easier for you. Just stick with quail though, for at least a week.
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True diarrhea again poor thing, I feel so bad.

I tried hot water on her kibble when she refused it last time, if anything she was even more staunch in her refusal! She was on kibble before, but I noticed they fed all the pups at once from one bowl so I have no idea how much she was eating, the bag states about 50g a day. She hasn't even got through 12g today and to get her to eat I had to sit and feed her individual kibbles by hand. I cant free feed her as Basil will scoff the lot the second she moves away from the bowl!

My plan is to get her firm and keep her that way, then try chicken again, the really bad poops started about 5 hours after the quail. If she cant digest the bone, will her stools always be loose?

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Oh brother! So sorry about this. I'd wait til he gets firm again. maybe he has a parasite, or giardia, or coccidia which is fairly common in pups.? I'd bring in a stool to the vet for analysis. Just to be super safe, even if the breeder said the pups have been wormed. (My last chi baby came with coccidia, even though the breeder had wormed her. General worm medicine does not cover coccidia)
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If she is eating food she has eaten safely before and still having diarrhoea I would get her checked by a vet as Susan suggested. Is it true diarrhoea and not just loose stools? I wouldn't want a tiny puppy to go for long with diarrhoea, it can get serious very quickly. It could be totally unrelated to her food/dietary changes.
Did the cooked chicken and rice firm her up at all? I would try that again if she really won't eat the kibble.
When a dog eats kibble they produce less acid in their stomach, their system adapts to a carb based, cooked diet. To digest bone the pH in their stomach needs to be lower (more acidic.) This is why it can cause issues feeding raw alongside cooked/kibble. So no reason Olive won't be able to eat bone, she just needs a little longer for her system to go back to 'factory settings' lol. If you can get minced chicken with bone in (or ask your butcher to mince a whole chicken) she should find the ground bone easier to digest and you won't have to worry about her passing shards of bone.
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