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Old 06-11-2015, 11:15 AM
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Our Chi Bella has been on a raw diet for a while now and I had a lot of problems trying to get her to eat organ meats like liver and kidneys.

I've found that by throwing livers in the freezer for a bit to firm them up, and by soaking kidneys for a while and then giving them a quick 30 second sear in the cast iron skillet so they are totally raw inside with a nice char on the outside them, and then just giving the quick sear to things like brains and sweatbreads has made Bella an offal lover.

Now here is the problem. In the past couple of days, I am finding it increasing harder to get her to eat raw "meaty" meat. I try to mix in a little organ meat every day, but now she is simply eating the organ meat and then not even touching anything else unless I leave it sitting out for an extended period of time or putting it in her crate overnight. She used to love chicken hearts, chicken breast, ground chicken and beef, stew beef, etc. But now it seems like an afterthought to her. She still seems to love chicken necks, wings, backs, thighs and other heavily bony items, but when it comes to pure "meat," she seems to have lost interest.

So a couple of questions. 1) Have any other raw feeders noticed this behavior of preferring organ meats? 2) If I go above the recommended percentage of 10% organ meat (5% liver and 5% other secreting organs), is that a problem?

And one last question. Bella rarely ever seems to ever drink her water anymore. Should I be worried? She seems fine and continues to be very active, but it doesn't seem normal.

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Old 06-11-2015, 04:05 PM
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This has made me smile, only a Chi could be this fickle!
Not drinking as much is perfectly normal, raw meat is 70-80% water so she is getting lots of moisture in her diet. Mine never drink except when they are hot, after exercise, or after chewing a bone.

Ideally you want to stay around 10% with organs. Any higher and you are likely to get very loose poos, and with liver you can get vitamin A toxicity of over fed for a prolonged period.

It is quite common for dogs to prefer bony items. Is she less excited by organs if fully raw? If so i would go back to that.
I would also be a bit more strict, if she doesn't eat within 15 or 20 minutes pick the food up and put it back in the fridge until the next mealtime. They soon learn that they eat when you put the food down or they don't eat, and that is the only choice mine have. It won't hurt a healthy adult dog to miss a meal. On the rare occasions that someone doesn't fancy something they have always eaten it at the next mealtime without hesitation. Dogs are far less fussy when truly hungry.
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This has made me smile, only a Chi could be this fickle!
Not drinking as much is perfectly normal, raw meat is 70-80% water so she is getting lots of moisture in her diet. Mine never drink except when they are hot, after exercise, or after chewing a bone.

Ideally you want to stay around 10% with organs. Any higher and you are likely to get very loose poos, and with liver you can get vitamin A toxicity of over fed for a prolonged period.

It is quite common for dogs to prefer bony items. Is she less excited by organs if fully raw? If so i would go back to that.
I would also be a bit more strict, if she doesn't eat within 15 or 20 minutes pick the food up and put it back in the fridge until the next mealtime. They soon learn that they eat when you put the food down or they don't eat, and that is the only choice mine have. It won't hurt a healthy adult dog to miss a meal. On the rare occasions that someone doesn't fancy something they have always eaten it at the next mealtime without hesitation. Dogs are far less fussy when truly hungry.
Wicked Pixie - sorry for the delayed response, but I have been trying out your suggestions and new things. To answer your question, she is not a fan of raw organ meat. No matter what I do she won't eat it. So I just give it a quick 30 second sear in the cast iron skillet, and that seems to do the trick. The outside is always seared, but the interior is still raw, so I'm hoping the nutrient quality isn't degraded too much.

I've tried taking meals away and she still seems to avoid raw "meaty" meat. She'll sniff it and just walk away. I'll reserve it next meal and still nothing. Seared organ meats, fish and bony items like chicken necks, short ribs, chicken quarters and wings she will chomp up immediately, but nothing else with the exception of ground beef, ground pork, ground turkey or ground chicken.

So after a few days, I gave up. I know I should have probably kept it up for longer, but the thought of Bella being hungry and not eating was killing me. I was trying to go totally raw, but I think I will stick to my previous hybrid method. That is, I will continue to lightly sear organ meats. And for "meaty" meats, I will go back to coating and serving them with my veggie paste (minced spinach, carrots, red cabbage, celery and whole eggs). I've done that the past day and she is back to normally eating the bone-free, "meaty" stuff like heart, gizzards, breast, stew beef, etc.

If anyone sees this as a problem, please let me know.
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I like to dehydrate organs and give them as a treat. She gets raw beef, dehydrated beef, rabbit and duck for her meals. I rehydrate the duck and rabbit.
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It won't hurt a healthy adult dog to miss a meal.
It is actually beneficial to fast them for a day every week or two!! It allows their systems a chance clean them selves out and 'reboot' so to speak.

I have gotten in the habit of monitoring their weight every couple days by checking the 'fat pad' that covers their ribs. You should be able to feel the ribs, but only with slight pressure, there should always be a thin 'blanket' of fat covering them.

I log how much food, veggies and additives (Raw Honey, Raw Coconut Oil, Braggs Vinegar, Garlic, FG Diatomaceous Earth, Milk Thistle) each dog gets every day to the 1/10 of an ounce. This makes it very easy to go back and see how much each dog gets each day and when their food is adjusted and when.

I found an excellent chart for small dogs that helps you tell if they are over/under weight, or at their ideal weight.
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