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So many one sided points here. Not a balanced article at all.
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How so? He was quoting from studies-are there some he omitted?
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Comanchescue, my points exactly.
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This paragraph particularly resonated with me. "Proponents like to claim that raw diets are more like the ancestral diets of our dogs’ progenitors. I understand the thought process, but I think it is very important to acknowledge that our dogs are very different from their wolf ancestors. In fact, in a study completed in 2013, it was proven that domestic dogs differ from wolves in 36 regions of their DNA, almost 1/3 of which are associated with digestion. (1) Our pet dogs are not wolves and therefore, should not be fed like wolves.


Read more at Ask A Vet: Are Raw Diets Better? What Should I Know? (Axelsson E, Ratnakumar A, Arendt M-L, et al. The genomic signature of dog domestication reveals adaptation to a starch-rich diet. Nature 2013; 495;360–364.
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The changes highlighted in that study were extremely minimal, and only found in some dogs, not all. It didn't prove anything, as we already know dogs can digest starchy carbohydrates. (If they couldn't kibble fed dogs would die)
I would put money on the fact that if you fed captive wolves kibble/starch based diets they would also show similar changes.
Dogs are highly adaptable, that is how they made the transition from wolves to dogs in the first place.
The dog is not a wolf, I don't know a raw feeder who thinks that their pet is a wolf. I have Chihuahuas, not wolves lol. I do hear people talking about 'dogs in the wild' but truly wild dogs do not exist, 'wild dog' is am oxymoron as our dog is a domestic animal; canis lupus familiaris. (Obviously there are separate species of truly wild dog such as the African wild dog (Lycaon pictus) but they are not the ancestor of Fido)
What has remained unchanged is the dogs physiology. It has the teeth and digestive system of a carnivore, that is indisputable. Dogs are highly adaptable and can survive on just about anything, but they truly thrive on what their bodies are designed to eat ie raw meat, bones, and organs. Dogs are what is known as facultative carnivores, when there is no meat available they will eat whatever they can find. This is the difference between survive and thrive though, eating a plant based diet puts a huge strain on the system, a meat based diet is better. They can meet their nutritional requirements from a variety of plant based sources, but it is much more difficult for the body than eating and digesting meat.
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Um yeah ok. Sadie lived to be 17 and even at 17 her mental state, organs etc were in perfect condition. Hm could it be the last 5-7 years she received 1 raw meal a day? I think so! So there is your scientific proof raw was the right way to go! How many 17 year old spunky basset hounds do you see running around?

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https://www.chihuahua-people.com/chih...-pet-food.html

"So the federal regulatory agency considers 10% salmonella occurrence in grocery store poultry as “background noise” but 7.6% in pet food as cause for alarm? That’s hardly an even-handed approach to consumer protection."
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Relating to the bacteria issues, this is what I posted on the other thread;
No-one is disputing that there is some level of potentially dangerous bacteria in raw meat (whether destined for dogs or humans) we must remember that there is also bacteria in kibble, all those recent recalls have been for salmonella.
Dogs are designed to deal with bacteria, it doesn't make them sick. The strong stomach acid kills off any pathogens, and they even have anti-bacterial agents in there saliva, which is why you don't get sick if licked by a raw fed dog.
The risk is to people, not dogs. Which is why basic hygiene rules must be followed. wash hands after handling raw meat, store in a separate area of the fridge etc. Just the same as when handling meat you are going to eat yourself, or preparing your dogs kibble meal (Interestingly, the commonest causes of food poisoning in the UK is not meat, but salads and take aways)
Is raw fed dog poo full of toxins and potentially harmful bacteria? Of course it is! That is why we pick up, and wash our hands after, all poo is toxic. All dogs and cats shed pathogens like salmonella in their faeces, regardless of diet.
There have been no scientific studies proving or disproving that people are at risk of food poisoning from feeding raw. There are thousands of people around the world who feed raw meat to their pets and remain perfectly healthy. Raw feeding isn't a new fad, I know breeders who have been feeding raw for forty years.
A fully raw fed dog is capable of dealing with the bacteria found in raw meat. HOWEVER, a kibble fed dog does not have the same level of stomach acid and strong immune system. It takes a few weeks on raw food for the dog to re-set its digestive system. I believe that the kibble fed dog is at a much higher risk of succumbing to food poisoning than a raw fed one.
Do I believe raw is the best, most natural way to feed? Yes, that is why i feed my dogs this way. Do I believe that raw is the only way to feed a dog? No, it doesn't suit every household, different people have different abilities and circumstances.
The choice is yours, but be educated, don't let scare tactics and misinformation sway your decision.
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