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Old 10-01-2012, 03:10 PM
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Question I think I want to change HOW I feed Biscuit. . .

I posted this in Biscuit's diary , but thought I should post here too

I think I want to change HOW I feed Biscuit. . .
So typically in a day little man gets 3 servings of boneless meals that are all nicely diced and measured and one meal on the bone. I am trying to figure out a way to give him all of his meals on the bone. No more dicing and chopping of the meat with the exception on one small serving so that I can get him to eat his organs.

So for those that have more experience than I, I have some questions:

Is it possible for me to basically ONLY feed bone in meals?

Ex. Day 1: Large beef rib with meat. He eats his fill, I toss back in the fridge and use it again at next meal. Repeat until bone is clean.

Day 2-3: Pork shank (leg bone thing). He eats his fill, toss back in the fridge. . .

My concern is that he is only suppose to have 2.5-4 ounces of food a day. I will not be able to be as in control of his portion sizes doing things this way. Will it hurt things if it is not strictly regulated portions? Because there is a chance that he gets more than he should or less than he should in a given setting.

The reason for this is that the more that I read and research it just seems better to do only on the bone if you can. The other reason is that it just seems more natural for him to eat chicken meat off the back or leg or what ever than for me to buy chicken breast and chop them up.

I don't know, I am mostly thinking out loud here, but I am hopeful that someone will get the gist of what I am trying to say and offer some advice or opinion to help me out or their thoughts on what I am thinking of doin
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Other people may help you---I feed Fromm, Now and other 5 star kibble. I also give mine bully bones for chewing.
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There are people who know far more than me on this around here but since they haven't replied I'll offer my opinion for what it's worth. I agree with the bone meals. It slows down eating and aids digestion. It stimulates their mind and primal instinct and I think they enjoy it. I give Mylo pork ribs and he eats the meat off and then I leave him the bone to chew on. He's not a power chewer so he never gets any bone off it. I would also worry about the portion sizes. It might be because he only gets one raw meal per day but he doesn't stop until it's gone. Saying that, they're never huge and in the real world a dog would eat as much as they can when they can so they'd naturally eat more one day and less another.
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This is what I do. Almost all of Onyx's meals are meat on the bone, of course she doesn't eat the bone or else I'd have one constipated Chihuahua! Her main staple is deer ribs. I give her a single deer rib and let her work all of the meat off. I just assume it is enough meat for her. If it isn't, she'll let me know. If it is too much, weight gain is usually shown within a week with a scale and I'd simply cut back.

Other things she gets are pork ribs, bison short ribs, lamb rib chops, and occasionally beef short ribs. She is soon to start goat on the bone as well. I do still feed boneless "stew meats" though, especially a lot of deer, goat, and bison. I do this because it gives her extra meaty meat and plus I don't always have a half hour to sit their and supervise her.

Some people weigh out BIG chunks of meat or roasts and let their dog eat off it and weigh it every few minutes to see if the amount they need to eat has been reached yet.
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Thanks for all of the help and support!

I think what I am wanting to do is go to a more semi-whole prey type meal or do like what you are doing, but where I am confused is with the fact that he is a pup (11 weeks) and he has to eat multiple times a day. I am having trouble wrapping my head around how to make the more whole prey work when I am having to feed such small amounts 4 times a day. I don't want to give him his meal and take it away 100 times to weigh it, but I don't want to over feed either. Does that make sense? I wonder if I gave it to him and allowed him 10 to 15 minutes to work on the larger bone in meals and then took it away if that would work????? I am also more concerned with over feeding than under feeding.
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I wouldn't say what you are trying to do is "whole prey". Whole prey is literally a whole animal, no cutting, head and fur intact, etc. For example, feeding whole mice, quail, rabbit, with absolutely NO change is the whole prey way of feeding.

You are aiming for prey model raw, which is what most people here feed. Big difference. This is simply making up a prey animal as best we can by feeding a variety of cuts and animal pieces.

You can do this however you want. If you want to give him 15 minutes to eat, that's fine. Like I said, you can weight it afterwards to see how much he ate. If he eats way too many ounces in 15 minutes, maybe let him eat for a lesser amount of time. If he hasn't eaten enough within 15 minutes, then you know he needs a longer amount of time to eat to get his necessary amount.
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Mylo tends to only eat when hungry, so I don't know if biscuit would be the same? Maybe try it out and if you see weight gain have a think about another way to do it? Maybe try smaller bone in meals like necks or small ribs. The ones I got we're tiny or try and so it by eye. Once you think he's eaten enough take it away? Some dogs can be protective of their raw meals though. Mylo doesn't but he also isn't happy about it. Could you get knife sharp enough to cut through the bone so you could give them in smaller portions that are weighed to estimate the amount of meat on the bone? As you said...I'm thinking also here, don't know if any of it is useful!
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Well, my reasoning is that I would eventually go to a more whole and less prey model. I have access to game on a fairly regular basis, I don't mind feeding mice or other things with the game and all that. But that seems like q lot to throw at him all at once, so I was going to try and do a long slow transition from prey model raw (what we do now) to the whole (leave in natural state). I have thought about introducing mice to him to see how he would do before I get too ahead of myself.
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