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Old 02-11-2013, 01:08 PM
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I will try to keep this short. Two weeks ago, Onyx snatched two pieces of bacon off my plate while I wasn't looking, that's all that was on the plate. I figured okay no biggie, she has gotten into much worse. I fed her as usual, with a little bit more bone than usual since she had some diarrhea. Well she kept having dirrhea for an entire week. Before deciding if she needed to go to the vet, I decided to try and feed her something else just to see. Well I fed her Ziwipeak (she used to eat it on a regular) and Voila! She had a firm poop. So I decided to feed her this for a few days to keep things firm but get back to eating raw. I add a piece of boneless skinless unenhanced chicken (which she wasn't fond of) and out came the diarrhea. Went back to the Ziwipeak, tried to give her a meal of this unenhanced beef that she's always done good on. Well, same day she has explosive diarrhea and kept me up quite a bit through the night.

I'm at a loss. Onyx has been raw fed for over a year. Why just out of the blue is she not able to handle it?? Her poops are normal ( but huge ) so long as I keep the raw out of her. The moment I try to give her anything raw it's explosive diarrhea time. This is so frustrating because she loves raw and not much else. Plus I loved for her to be on this diet. I don't even want to bother now, carpet is alreadygetting ugly enough.

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Sorry that happened! Seems like she went into a spiral after eating the bacon.

So you fed the boneless skinless chicken and then tried beef. No bone? Bone is what keeps the stools solid.

If you feel like trying again, go back to basics. Start with cornish hen pieces or whatever has worked for her in the past, but go bone heavy in the beginning. That will help keep her poop solid until she's back transitioned to raw. I would also start with half portions. Overfeeding causes diarrhea as well.
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Yea I did feed her some bone. On a regular, all it takes is two days out of the week with a chicken wing section and she's good. Anymore than that and she would get constipated. After this incident, I fed about three days of small bone in chicken meals. Unfortunately instead of firming her up, she just got light yellow diarrhea.

I already fed her a small meal of Ziwi this morning which I know keeps her firm, I may try giving her a small middle chicken wing section for dinner tonight. If she yet again has diarrhea I may have to throw in the towel

This is depressing... for me lol. I loved feeding her raw since she actually enjoyed it, her brown teeth are now white, and she went from a terrible 11 pounds to a now healthy 7 pounds 12 ounces! If this doesn't work out, I wonder why all of a sudden she would have this kind of reaction to any raw meat.
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I would try a probiotic to balance her gut, then very slowly re-introduce raw, one protein at a time as Tracy suggests. Makes me wonder about eating bacon ever again!
ZP is a great food though, so at least she is tolerating something that is good for her. I hope she is feeling better soon.
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I think it could have simply been the bacon that caused the problem
Bacon can cause pancreatitis (inflammation of the pancreas) even a tiny amount.

I think like Tracy & Stella have said, small meals, bone in etc
Also 'tree barks powder' is helpful in tummy upsets ...

Hope Onyx is better soon xx

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I bet that this pup had a mild case of pancreatitis. Bacon will do that. Did in our sheltie. I would feed him ziwipeak for at least 2 weeks, along with probiotics, and then try very slowly to get him back on raw. You're not giving his gut time to heal competely. Slowly, slowly that's the way!
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Thank you everyone for the helpful responses. I will keep her on the Ziwipeak for a while and then start fresh.

Two questions for all of you helpful girls. I know when you first start out most people recommend chicken or turkey. Is it okay to use a different meat for her boneless meal because she will NOT eat skinless poultry. The whole starving thing doesn't work with her either. She will literally hold out for a week which isn't good for her. When I first started her on raw a year ago, I started out on red meat and she did fine so this should be okay right?

Second question. Is there any specific things I should look for in a probiotic? Any brand recommendations?
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Chicken is usually recommended because most dogs tolerate it well and it is ideal for adding bone, you will want to be bone-heavy for the first few weeks.
Perfectly fine to start on red meat, but harder to control the amount of bone. Rabbit would be a good choice, if you can get it. I have been using minces with bone in to transition the new girls.
Can't help with probiotic recommendations, but I'm sure someone more local to you will be able to help.
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