Becoming Raw Feed disheartened :( Please help! X - Chihuahua Forum : Chihuahua Breed Dog Forums
 
Chihuahua Forum : Chihuahua Breed Dog Forums


Chihuahua-People.com is the premier Chihuahua Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.

Go Back   Chihuahua Forum : Chihuahua Breed Dog Forums > Chihuahuas > Chihuahua Diet and Nutrition > Raw Food

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 04-10-2013, 05:58 PM
chi person
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Name: Tori
Location: Kent, UK
Posts: 14
Thanks: 1
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default Becoming Raw Feed disheartened :( Please help! X

Hi all,
I started all 3 if my Chi's in Prey Raw Model 5wks ago...but I just can't seem to get it right?!
I know it's me going wrong somewhere & not the diet itself as I read up quite a bit beforehand.
I started initially as my vet said it would make a remarkable difference to my Blue Chi's alopecia...& that it has!
But, stool wise it's going horrific! I can't seem to get it right
I go from black, tarry diarrhea, to one being constipated. I understand that this is too much of bone or too much meat, but when I cut back, one gets too thin, whilst the other gets just right. I can't find the right balance for them all? They won't go near any organ meat either & drinking levels are so low it's frightening me
They eat a chicken meat (no bone half the thigh meat each & skin) in the morning, with pork loin (half each & fat on) in the evening. The next day it'll be beef (braising steak half each) in the morning & pork loin again in evening. The following day is bone day, they have 2 thigh bones each from the chicken that had meat cut off (still a bit meaty though) one in the AM & the other PM, or I give chicken stock bones, which are half cut usually but have ribs, spine & breast bone attached, there isn't much meat on these. The last day is pork knuckle chopped in large chunks with some thick skin on (obviously no bone in lol) in the morning & half a lamb heart each in the evening. As they won't go near organ meat, I just start the daily plan all over again, but once a fortnight I have a fasting day.
I don't weigh or measure, but I just keep having to adjust due to their stools & weight but can't get it right??!
Please....tell.me where I am going wrong?? I won't be offended even if the honest opinion is that I'm just useless at this?!!
Sent from Petguide.com Free App
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #2  
Old 04-10-2013, 06:37 PM
Wicked Pixie's Avatar
Administrator
chi god/godess
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Name: Stella
Location: Frome, Somerset, UK
Posts: 5,713
Thanks: 230
Thanked 1,605 Times in 1,262 Posts
Default

When you transitioned did you introduce each protein one at a time? Is it one dog or all that are getting loose and/or constipated? What are you feeding before the loose stools?
The best thing about a home prepared diet is you can tailor it to suit each dog individually. They might not all be able to tolerate the same amount of bone, one may be more sensitive to one of the meats you are feeding etc and this is easy to remedy.
They will have to have their organs though, these aren't optional on a raw diet.
__________________
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 04-10-2013, 08:50 PM
chi god/godess
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Name: Dee
Posts: 2,480
Thanks: 317
Thanked 255 Times in 173 Posts
Default

A way to get them to eat organs is if you dehydrate them (available on ebay for about 40 quid).

I do 12 trays at a time of liver, kidney, beef, kangaroo, chicken fillets etc. and the thing they go wild for - the organs!

The good thing is that dehydrating leaves the nutrients intact, obviously the enzymes go to god.

If they were mine having issues, I would try removing one protein at a time, starting with beef, for a couple of weeks, as I know several, including my own, can't tolerate it as a whole meal. Some dogs, although very, very few, can't take chicken for example. My guys, all 4 adults, refuse to eat pork and I take that as a sign they know it won't go down well for them.

Oh, one thing I found was that the pre-packaged raw was actually much more economical and has everything in it that was required, and one little pack does 4 of mine for 1 meal.

Don't give up, you'll get there, and as you've already seen, the rewards & benefits are far superior to anything else.
__________________
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote
 
  #4  
Old 04-11-2013, 01:15 AM
chi person
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Name: Tori
Location: Kent, UK
Posts: 14
Thanks: 1
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default

Hi, I've brought in a new protein each week. Started chicken, then brought in pork, then beef the last being lambs heart. Tried the liver from week 3 & again the next day, but always refused so none this week.
I'm wondering if it's too much variety too soon? But I'm so worried that they won't get the right nutrition :/ I have also had slimey, snotty stools once or twice with a fishy odour, I even thought entoritis! But it cleared after 24hrs fasting.
It's difficult to tell which upsets them as I feed two varieties a day? Is that where I'm going wrong?
How much is the best amount if I weigh it out for a Chihuahua??
Thanks for the replies so far xxx

Sent from Petguide.com Free App
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 04-11-2013, 01:19 AM
chi person
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Name: Tori
Location: Kent, UK
Posts: 14
Thanks: 1
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default

Also, all dogs are getting loose. They're pooping around the house at times now too But I still love them, I feel guilty that I'm causing it to them

Sent from Petguide.com Free App
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 04-11-2013, 03:44 AM
chi god/godess
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Name: Tracy
Location: Wichita, KS for 26 years... just moved to UTAH!
Posts: 14,441
Thanks: 415
Thanked 426 Times in 299 Posts
Default

Go back to what has worked before. It sounds like too much, too soon. If they all did well on bony chicken pieces, then go back to that. chicken only with bone, no skin, fat removed. Depending on their sizes, just a few ounces for each meal, twice a day. Once stools are normal, then you can add in another protein - ONE bite at a time. Go very slow. If you see a loose stool, go back to what has worked before.

Don't worry about organs. Don't worry about variety. Don't worry that they aren't drinking enough. Just make it simple for now. Get them stabilized and doing well on chicken with bone. Then you can slowly start adding in other stuff. That could be a week from now or longer. Put everything in the freezer except for the bony chicken pieces.

Loose stools are usually caused by too much variety, too soon, and/or too much food and not enough bone. Bone firms stools so you want to be bone heavy in the beginning. I would do chicken wings or necks or backs, with maybe a few extra bites of chicken meat. That's it. Give their systems time to process and they will be fine.
__________________

"Having heard all of this, you may choose to look the other way.....
but you can never say again that you did not know." William Wilberforce 1759-1833
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 04-11-2013, 09:09 AM
chi god/godess
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Name: Sarah
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 1,533
Thanks: 6
Thanked 40 Times in 31 Posts
Default

No matter what I tried I just couldn't get my Chloe to eat organ meat, not even cooked. After her holding out on eating for about 2 days I finally gave in and bought some ZiwiPeak which is an air dried raw food, another similar product is K9 Naturals. It is nutritionally balanced and I feed about 1/3 ZiwiPeak to 2/3 raw muscle meat volume wise for each meal and chicken wing tips a few times a week as a treat. My guys do really well on it apart from a few phases where Chloe got picky and wouldn't eat it for a few weeks but she seems to have got that out of her system - her nickname isn't Princess for nothing! They all have consistently firm stools on it and they are all at ideal weight with shiny coats and minimal doggy odor. I feel like this product allows me to give my dogs the benefits of feeding raw without the issues of loose stools if I don't get things 100% balanced and it seems to suit picky Chloe. Maybe it's an option for you to consider?
__________________


Thanks Jan896 for my cute siggy!
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 04-11-2013, 09:22 AM
chi person
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Name: Tori
Location: Kent, UK
Posts: 14
Thanks: 1
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default

Thank you As said earlier, raw has made my Blue Luna's coat so much better! The hair is less coarse & finally has a slight shine to it & she's actually growing hair in some places where she was balding My choc/tan Smeagol has a coat as shiny as a marble too Bambi's eyes are less wet, but she seems to be shedding more, but she had a season not long ago. She makes the most adorable noise 'mmnom-nom-yongg-yongg' when eating the raw & the satisfaction of knowing that she is loving it that much makes it so worth while! & Smeagol 'horks' less now, he was basically choking on each feed with dry, but I didn't understand about them just inhaling kibble. I get frustrated as I always bought the most expensive food, not knowing it was so bad for them.
I'll take your advice & go back to basics & take it slower this time Thank you again! xxx

Sent from Petguide.com Free App
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Tori Denman For This Useful Post:
Brodysmom (04-11-2013)
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT. The time now is 12:24 PM.



Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright 2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Chihuahua People 2004-2009
PetGuide.com
Basset Hound Forum Doberman Forum Golden Retriever Forum Beagle Forum
Boxer Forum Dog Forum Pit Bull Forum Poodle Forum
Bulldog Forum Fish Forum Havanese Forum Maltese Forum
Cat Forum German Shepherd Forum Labradoodle Forum Yorkie Forum Hedgehog Forum
Chihuahua Forum Retriever Breeds Cichlid Forum Dart Frog Forum Mice Breeder Forum