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I live in saudi and the best food in stores is Royal Canon.

So since i found this forum when i First got chico i knew it was bad. So I ordered online Wellness core. I fed him this for months. But than i notice his not doing to well with it. His fur was dry and other things that i cant remember now. So I changed to Orijen he did even worse in that. I think something in the food he was allergic of not sure.

So I had it from ordering from online because with the prise and shipping it was too much and i was not getting the result i wanted for chico.
So I just started giving him Royal Canon from the pet store.

Anyway Since i got back to this forum I'm hearing about the benefit of Raw. With there skin,fur,teeth, Breathe, and atc.. And all i have to do is go the supermarket i buy Raw food. It cost almost nothing. Witch is good for me and i can guaranty that is healthy with out just trusting labels about dry food. Witch is good for Chico and Lily (my Cat)
And i bought a smaller fridge to put the Raw food and anything that has to do with my furbabies food meds atc..

-I ordered ZP I will give it to him in the morning and at night Raw. Well that be ok?

-Do I just stop dry food cold turkey or go slow?

-Were do i feed him in his bowel or a bigger plate?

-Should i be with them every time they eat or i can do my thing when there eating?

- im concern about the bone Chico eats fast. Sometimes im not sure he even swallows. Lilly takes her time. what do i do here?

I have more Q and im reading Brody's mom thread Over and over so understand the food better.

But any advise for a first time nerves fur mom would help?

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I think you will see a huge improvement in Chico's condition on raw.
Feeding ZP alongside raw is a great idea. You don't have to worry as much about getting the proportion of meat/bone/offal correct, as the ZP is already balanced.
I would go 'cold turkey' if you are sure he will eat the raw. Just start with one protein at first, chicken is ideal. Once he is doing well on chicken you can start adding other meats, just do it slowly, one at a time.
I feed mine in their crates. If it is a bone, I just hand it to them and they eat it directly over a clean pee pad. If it is mince or chunks of meat I feed it in a bowl. I use stainless steel bowls, so they are easy to clean. I wouldn't be comfortable using plastic with raw food. Many people train their dogs to eat on a towel, or feed them outside. Whatever works best for you.
I always supervise meal times. Non-bony meals disappear in a matter of seconds, bony meals only take a few minutes. My Chis absolutely love their raw! it is important to supervise to make sure he is chewing properly. With a greedy dog feed large bones. If you give him a whole chicken wing there is no possibility of him swallowing it whole. It may take him a while to get used to chewing and having to work at his food, plus he will need to build up his jaw muscles. If you are concerned about him gulping with bones, make sure he isn't ravenous when you give him his bony meals, so feed in the evening rather than for breakfast. Chicken bones are very soft and easily dealt with though, even with tiny Chis.
Cats are much harder to transition than dogs, so you may need a slightly different approach with Lily. With our cat I had to mix minced meat in with his familiar canned food, and wean him off it slowly. Unlike dogs you can't let a cat go hungry, they have to eat, so often a slow transition works best. If Lily likes raw already, then fantastic, go for it. Do research raw diets for cats though, they have higher taurine requirements than dogs, I fed more heart to provide the extra taurine.
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The more I read about people feeding raw the more I consider it too.... Is it just me or the first step is just scary wouldn't know where to start


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I think you will see a huge improvement in Chico's condition on raw.
Feeding ZP alongside raw is a great idea. You don't have to worry as much about getting the proportion of meat/bone/offal correct, as the ZP is already balanced.
I would go 'cold turkey' if you are sure he will eat the raw. Just start with one protein at first, chicken is ideal. Once he is doing well on chicken you can start adding other meats, just do it slowly, one at a time.
I feed mine in their crates. If it is a bone, I just hand it to them and they eat it directly over a clean pee pad. If it is mince or chunks of meat I feed it in a bowl. I use stainless steel bowls, so they are easy to clean. I wouldn't be comfortable using plastic with raw food. Many people train their dogs to eat on a towel, or feed them outside. Whatever works best for you.
I always supervise meal times. Non-bony meals disappear in a matter of seconds, bony meals only take a few minutes. My Chis absolutely love their raw! it is important to supervise to make sure he is chewing properly. With a greedy dog feed large bones. If you give him a whole chicken wing there is no possibility of him swallowing it whole. It may take him a while to get used to chewing and having to work at his food, plus he will need to build up his jaw muscles. If you are concerned about him gulping with bones, make sure he isn't ravenous when you give him his bony meals, so feed in the evening rather than for breakfast. Chicken bones are very soft and easily dealt with though, even with tiny Chis.
Cats are much harder to transition than dogs, so you may need a slightly different approach with Lily. With our cat I had to mix minced meat in with his familiar canned food, and wean him off it slowly. Unlike dogs you can't let a cat go hungry, they have to eat, so often a slow transition works best. If Lily likes raw already, then fantastic, go for it. Do research raw diets for cats though, they have higher taurine requirements than dogs, I fed more heart to provide the extra taurine.
When i get the ZP I will go cold turkey than. And it would give me time to do more research and get information on Raw.

Chico eats anything i put for him in food brands and treats atc..
Lily is a deferent mater she is sooo picky i don't think she will eat it. But i will read up on Raw food for cats before i get her started. I will start with Chico first at least tell i get the hang of it.

I use tainless steel bowls too with dry food. I don't like the plastic ones.

I will start with the chicken i like your idea of giving it to him a whole chicken wing. So he wont be able to swallow it fast and also for him to get the idea.

I feed both Chico and Lily dry food never Caned so they might find it wearied at first with Raw

I might get out Chico/Lily play pan again. I hate messes. And I know Chico well bring the bone chicken in my lap. lol

I went to the supermarket yesterday and i wanted to know the cost for 6 Row chicken its about 2 dollars. I will go tomorrow again but this time ask the botcher about the chicken, meat, and fish.

Wicked Pixie Thank you again for your advise and your help. Im less nerves but im getting there.
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You are more than welcome.
Creating your pet's diet from scratch instead of relying on a pet food company to do it for you can be daunting. The benefits of feeding raw are huge though, I will never go back to commercial pet foods.
My two new girls (we have only had them since January) came to me with rough smelly coats, filthy teeth and stinky breath. They had no muscle tone at all. They weren't ill, just the result of a poor diet. (They had been fed cooked chicken and rice and cheap kibble, they came with a bag of Iams. I fed it to the hamsters lol)
Within 2 or 3 days of feeding raw, they had lost their doggy odour and bad breath. Within 2 weeks they had sleek shiny coats. It really was that quick.
It took about 8 weeks on raw for Delilah's teeth to be clean, Mouse still has a little build up on her canines, but the majority of her teeth are sparkling white. I should weigh them to see how much they have gained. they aren't any fatter, but they have muscles now.
There is a ton of great information available on this forum, and lots of knowledgeable people who are passionate about raw feeding to answer any questions.
Keep researching, read everything you can. Keep asking questions. It is really a very simple way to feed once you are used to it. I really enjoy shopping for the dogs, and planning and preparing their meals. They certainly love eating them.
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WOW!! 2 to 3 days you noticed. Amazing.
I will keep reading. but I think i might experiment tomorrow. And see how he responds to Raw. I will give it to him at dinner time tomorrow.
What do i ask the botcher. Do I say one Raw chicken wings? Because of thinking of getting the pre made Raw at first. But i don't know what do you think?
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Over here I get chicken wings in packs. I then trim the tips off and save them in a bag (very handy for loose stools) and freeze them until I need them. I'm sure your butcher would be able to sell you one or two separately if you asked.
I prefer DIY to pre-made as they get to use their teeth and really work at their food. It is great for relaxing them, dogs are supposed to chew, so whole raw pieces of prey are a mental and physical work out.
Remember that you only need to feed around 10% bone, so if feeding a wing you will want to offer plain chicken meat for the next couple of meals to balance the bone. It is a bit of trial and error to establish how much bone an individual dog needs, so keep an eye on his poo. You want small firm poos, but not so hard they are uncomfortable to pass.
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