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Sorry for all the Questions lately and vents!

So i have been doing a lot of reading regarding crate training/separation anxiety. Today I was reading how a dog should not be crated at night and during the day. It limits there human interaction. (Humane Society). So do you think it will be ok to let them sleep with me in my bed. I could put there dog bed next to my bed but they will end up on my bed anyways as its only on the floor.

It also says on the Humane society webpage and I quote "Separation Anxiety. Attempting to use the crate as a remedy for separation anxiety won't solve the problem. A crate may prevent your dog from being destructive, but he may injure himself in an attempt to escape from the crate. Separation anxiety problems can only be resolved with counter-conditioning and desensitization procedures. You may want to consult a professional animal-behavior specialist for help."

So I google'd Animal-Behavior Specialist in my area and came across this.
Biography Should I contact them? Would it hurt! I wish I had a bunch of money right now so I could truly help them more.
 

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Also should mention that they sleep in there kennels fine at night. Unless I leave my room and normally within a few minutes one of them starts whining :( I just can't win. I feel so bad even leaving them for a quick trip to the grocery store. Which I need to do soon.
 

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Both mine sleep with me and I have no issues. Bailey the youngest goes in a crate when I go somewhere. She doesn't mind it. Just don't put them in it for punishment. Emmie is 3 yrs old and has free roam of the house.


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We don't do crates around here. So, this isn't from first hand experience, but to me it seems like it is way too much to be in a crate during the night and day. Chloe was trained in a playpen. We just put it away about a month ago. Chloe has free reign of the apartment with all the bedroom/bathroom doors closed when we're gone and we sleep with her at night. I think that you should give them freedom as soon as they are safe to do so and potty trained. I don't understand the point of locking then in a cage all the time if you can trust them out. So, it just depends on the dog.


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My 3.5 yo rescue had bad separation anxiety when we got her ( it's a lot better now). We crate trained her as a last resort before medicating her. Thankfully it worked for the most part. We just recently started giving her the house when we leave but at night she still goes in her crate. She chooses her crate, she leaves our bed and goes on her own, we don't bother shutting the door anymore.

We got a puppy a couple weeks ago and I assume because I'm home all day I gave her separation anxiety. She sleeps in a crate at night and is in one when we do groceries. At night she cries a little when I first put her to bed and then let's out a little bark in the middle of the night. At 5:40am she is up and ready for the potty. I bring her back to bed with us and she sleeps til I get up and the. We go back out for more potty.

Yesterday I went and bought her a collar ( mine wear harnesses) and some lavender oil. I put a drop of oil on the collar and put it on her. When I put her to bed there was no whining and also no barks in the middle of the night. But she was still up at 5:40 am for a potty break. I'm not sure where the 5:40 came from but she's like a clock lol
 

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When training puppies and adolescents I don't hesitate to have dogs stay in crates at night and during the day while I'm at work. They are crated until I know they are trustworthy which can be until they are 2-3 years old in some cases. I would rather they be crated than chewing something and getting a foreign body which requires surgery or that poisons them or pottying on the floor.

So if you think that crating would help I wouldn't hesitate to use it.

Have you tried one of the ultrasonic bark correctors that you set on a table or bookcase? I would also consider citronella collars for them if you get down to it. I know these aren't the cheapest options but they might be returnable if they don't work.
 

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The idea with crate training is that the crate becomes the dogs den, its safe place. This is why it can help in cases of separation anxiety, the dog feels secure in its crate. The crate isn't a prison to shut dogs away in. If your dogs are happy in their crates by all means continue to use them. If you want them to sleep in your bed that is ok too, as long as your dogs don't have dominance issues.
 

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I agree with Stella. To crate or not to crate is an individual decision. My first 3 dogs (I had 3 various size dogs at once) did not get crated. I had one set up with no door and all three or none would go in it at times. That was in my younger days!

But with me, it's an age thing! lol. As I get older I am more concerned with safety. My golden doesn't get crated at all!! I wish I had crate trained her. But Angel, sleeps in his crate at night - no problems! And does not like to go in a car without his crate. Put him in a crate, on the back seat, and you don't even know he's there! During the day, he spends a lot of time in his crate, with the door open! We take him to work, so I guess he feels safe in his crate. He comes out to play and bark at people - hahaha. But, he is completely comfortable in his crate. At home, he is free to come and go from his crate at will.

I am afraid of him being injured or worse yet, if he and Suzie (our golden) get into a disagreement of sorts! They are animals - and no matter how gentle they are, you don't know when one of them will snap or get hurt and take it out on the other one. I am probably too cautious, but I think age does that to you!
 

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I have never confined Gemma to a crate. She only has an open crate available to her as her bed/den. The only reason I got a crate instead of a regular bed was to resemble the den atmosphere, but it was never intended to be used as a confinement tool. Gemma was first confined to a playpen at night for the first couple of weeks she was here, but then we let her sleep in our bed as soon as we felt comfortable with her potty training progress. She always sleeps with us now and rarely ever goes in her crate on her own. She has access to both the bed and couch via stairs we built so she's made those into her beds, lol.

We have left Gemma alone before for up to 5 hours and she has been very good. We leave her gated off in our bedroom with access to our bed and she just plays with her toys up there and sleeps. She uses potty pads so we don't have to worry about that. I would say letting her sleep has not created separation anxiety issues. She can be around us whenever we're home but if we want her to get off the bed and leave us alone for a bit, we just move away the stairs and she'll go find something else to do. When she wants constant attention and I am busy, I just ignore her and she will go away and lay on the couch or play with her toys. I just have to ignore her for a few minutes and then she gives up. Not ever giving in to her whining and crying has paid off big. She never cries for attention anymore. She did that for about a week when she first arrived and hasn't tried since. She knows it doesn't work on us. I think you'll probably have to take the same steps with your two and teach them that crying is not okay and that they will not be rewarded for it. I would practicing gating them off in a room while your home, and if they cry for you, to pay absolutely no attention to them until they have quieted down for a few minutes. Even telling them "NO" or even looking at them is a success to them because they got your attention. You just need to ignore them completely.
 
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