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Hey everyone!

I know it's been a long time since I've been here. Life got a bit crazy there for a while.

Well when I started posting here I was having difficulties with training Sally (she was then trying to be renamed Vivienne, hence my username, but she never liked the name).

Well... it's over a year and STILL we have not made one ounce of progress. It even feels like she's just doing things on purpose.

The only change that has occurred in our life is our roommate moved out and we moved into the other bedroom. However she LOVES this bedroom (probably because her little brother isn't in it lol). We turned the old bedroom into the dog's room. In there is their crates, bowls, and Rider(new addition as of February)'s playpen. He has a playpen because he's kind of a klepto and steals things around the house lol. He is allowed out to exercise plenty though.

Sally has had major hair loss because she was rescued from a mill and had a horrible flea infestation. Due to her lack of hair, and fall and winter here being BRUTAL, we decided to train her to use a pad. We made a bit of progress. She knows what the pad is for... and that's about it. Many times she'll poop right beside it, and it's not a matter of missing. We thought that was the case so we spied on her, she'll walk up, look at it, and even if there's nothing on it, just squat right beside it.

Well it got to where she would pee and poop in numerous places, except our bedroom. But now, she's chosen two special places to do her business. One is in their bedroom right beside the playpen. There's no rhyme or reason to it. It's this spot between her crate and playpen. A spot that had been configured since we first got the playpen and she's NEVER gone there before. Now she almost makes it a point to go there. The other place is in the living room. When the roommate moved out, all the furniture was hers so out living room is kinda blank except for a bookcase. She's chosen right beside the bookcase to do her business.

We've tried all the usual methods... praising when she goes on the pad (which now is actually NEVER), not petting her when we get home til she's on the pad for when she pees (even once we've petted her enough that we're sure she's empty... she'll run off to her favorite spots and pee some more), picking her up when she squats to put her on the pad (which then she'll just hold it til she can run off to her spots again).

Here's the kicker... SHE KNOWS IT'S WRONG! The second she does it and she sees us going near it, and knows we'll see it, she just goes and puts herself into her crate. We used to crate her when she'd have an accident so we could clean it and she wouldn't lick the area we tried to clean... she tried before, thank goodness we caught her). But yeh she does it, then goes and hides about it.

The only thing that I didn't know a year ago and what's kept me from giving her away is that... We talked to a behavioral specialist as well as the people that rescued her. Apparently the mill was inbreeding to get a blue coat, and she's one of them. Also the dogs were constantly abused. The specialist and vet think she may be mentally challenged from the inbreeding and head trauma(she has many other traits that point to that answer, also she's afraid to bark from being shock collared). I don't know how to handle that, or how to train her in a way that will help her.

We tried possible letting her have free roam while we were gone. Their bedroom is still open, as well as her crate, so she can go anywhere she needs to. She never tore anything up, the house was intact and she was very happy. She didn't have any anxiety over it or anything. In fact, her anxiety dropped when she was able to actually run to the door and see us come home. But the last couple of weeks we can't let her free roam because she's just going to cover the house in waste.

No matter what she's my special little girl, but I just don't know what to do anymore. I'd like to entertain guests, I'd like to have friends over, I'd like our families to see our home, but it always smells of pee and poo and there's no way to stay on top of it without steam cleaning the house twice a day. She's almost 2 years old, and I am just at my wits end. It's been over a year and it feels like we just keep going more and more backwards.

Someone please help? If we had the money for a specialist trainer or anything then I would, but I just started a new job and we really can't afford it. We've got to do this ourselves but i'm just... tired.
 

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Tried that before and it didn't work. We even massively cleaned her "spots" so there's no smell.

When I put a pad on that spot in the living room she looked at it... when into their bedroom... and peed right in the other spot.
 

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You might have to do what I am doing with Honey...
I am going right back to basics.
I have her in her play pen at all times when I am not
watching her like a hawk.
Her play pen has, a bed. Water and food bowl.
And her peepad.
She has been in there for about a week now, and
so far no accidents in the house or playpen.
Before I started this, she would just go where ever
she wanted. Now she goes outside only even though
she has her peepad in her pen. I ONLY let her out when
I can keep a constant eye on her. And if I see her needing to
go to the toilet I take her out side immediatly.
IF you dont want sally to go to the toilet out side and
strictly on a pee pad. you can do the same as me. only
when you see that she needs to go to the toilet take her
to her peepad instead of outside.
Honey is 6 so its never to late to teach them,
I am finding that more and more she is going to the door
to be let out to go to the toilet. But I still watch her closly
when she is inside and out of her pen.
you have to be consistent for this to work but it will work
 

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Maya is going on 5 months and we're finally making progress with her potty training. she almost exclusively goes outside, it has been pooping that has been the issue. I am home full time, so that makes it easier for me to make sure I take her out very frequently throughout the day. I decided not to do puppy pads. I bigtime praise her for going outside, and give her a smear or two of peanut butter as a treat. She only gets peanut butter when she goes potty outside, and since pooping has been harder to train, she gets extra peanut butter and wild praise for doing it outside. If she makes a mistake, I show her the poop and tell her NO. She is finally going a few days at a time now without any accidents. If I'm going to be gone, I keep her in her crate, and then carry her outside from her crate, because her excitement to see me will cause her to accidently pee, so I don't let her set foot on the floor until she has done her business outside. It is frustrating, so I feel for you, but at least they are small dogs and their accidents are small. Now if my dobie was having accidents, that would really be bad! lol
 

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Maybe if she just isn't using the pads properly it would be worth a try to get her some warm sweaters and jackets and try getting her to potty outside. As previously suggested, you would normally want to go "back to the basics" of housebreaking, feed her, crate her for 15 min and then take her outside to potty. If she doesn't potty, back in the crate for 10-15 min and then back outside. Once she has gone she can run around in the house for a bit. Either you are watching her, she is outside, or she is crated. You're in a tough spot since she has such bad associations with being in her crate. I would try substituting a crate with a pen, with a cozy bed, a few toys, and her water and maybe her food. Maybe she would do better with a pen. We have one for our new puppy, and he holds his potty so as not to mess up his pen, even though he has enough room for his food and water, his bed, his crate, toys with room to spare for a potty spot if needed.
Don't punish her for accidents by putting her in her crate. Regardless of why you're doing it (keeping her clear while you clean up, etc) to HER it is a punishment because she has such a negative association with her kennel. The only time she should be scolded is if you are watching her IN THE ACT. If you need her out of the way while you clean up, someone should take her outside or to another room while the other cleans up. It is frustrating, but that's what you're getting into when you rescue a little dog with such a sad background.
You should probably prepare yourself for the possibility that she may never be fully, reliably housebroken. A dog who has been mistreated and forced to be in a crate all the time can become accustomed to being trapped in their own waste and lose the natural instinct to want to keep their area clean.
If you want the help of a trainer, contact your local humane society and ask who they'd recommend. This is how we found our trainer for my fiance's previous lab x rescue, and she did a free "consultation"- about an hour at our house listening to us, working with the dog, and showing us things to do to help him. She also stayed in contact via email, wanting updates and making further suggestions. She was SUPER helpful, and didn't cost us anything, although we would have happily paid her to come again if needed.
 

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Dahlia was super tiny when we got her so we kept her in a play-pen
and would take her out to play or sit with us for short periods all day.
She had a yogi system and would poo on it.But she peed on her bed-blankets-
everything but the yogi.We tried for a year and it got worse not better.
We moved her to the wood floored kitchen with a crate and 4 pee pads
next to it with one inside for night time.She was great most of the time trying
to use the pads but missing them occasionally near the edge.
So I removed them and just let her have the one in her crate to use.
I mop the floor with MOP & GLO and she hates the smell.
She has not made one mistake since I started moping the floor with MOP & GLO!
She goes right to her crate and finially knows what the pee pads are for!
She has run of the kitchen with a gate at the living room.
All I can say is it worked for her and she was a ding bat for a year.Dont give up!!!
And all I can say is the MOP & GLO put her off from peeing & pooing on the floor.
 

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I have a poopy problem with Chico. He is put in crate at bedtime and he does both his business out side in the morning, holding it in thru the night. During the day we have a pee pad down on the floor. Sometime he will use it, but most times he will do it outside. He likes to go and hide to poop inside the house. And then he eats it. NASTY, NASTY. I've tried accent on it and even pineapple. Accent doesn't help and pineapple makes his poop mushy. We take him out every 3-4 hours and he will go outside and do both pee and poop. Outside he makes no attempt to eat his poop. Sometimes we find a piece of poop in his crate in the morning, and know he must have eaten the rest.
How do we get him to stop eating his poop?
 

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I have a poopy problem with Chico. He is put in crate at bedtime and he does both his business out side in the morning, holding it in thru the night. During the day we have a pee pad down on the floor. Sometime he will use it, but most times he will do it outside. He likes to go and hide to poop inside the house. And then he eats it. NASTY, NASTY. I've tried accent on it and even pineapple. Accent doesn't help and pineapple makes his poop mushy. We take him out every 3-4 hours and he will go outside and do both pee and poop. Outside he makes no attempt to eat his poop. Sometimes we find a piece of poop in his crate in the morning, and know he must have eaten the rest.
How do we get him to stop eating his poop?
What are you feeding him? Sometimes dogs will eat their poop to get extra nutrients from their stools that they aren't getting in their food. Try Meat Tenderizer on his food (the one with Bromelain in it), that was the ONLY thing that worked for Sebastian, my boy chi who is at the bridge. He would literally eat the poop as it was coming out of Zoey. BLECH!
 

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It took Zoey until she was 18 months old for the housetraining to finally 'click' and she still isn't perfect but better than she was. What I did was she was in an exercise pen with just the potty pad, a bed, food/water in it, then if I saw her go on the pad she got lots of praise and treats. With Ziva my min pin puppy, we are using the 'tether' method, meaning she is tethered to either myself or a stationary object, each 'tethering' station has bed, water, and potty pads. She has done pretty good with it, she gets treats when she does good. She will still go on blankets, but she's from a petstore so hasn't entirely learned the whole concept don't potty where you sleep. She will hold it through the night in a small crate she sleeps in by my bed though.
 

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Chico is eating Blue Buffalo small breed with life essentials, and slowing mixing in Chicken Soup for Puppy lovers soul. I think that's the name. LOL
I'll try the meat tenderizer and see if that works. I'm willing to try anything!
 

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It is a bit of a nightmare isnt it. I was getting frustrated and Chi is only 6 months old.
We have newspaper down in the kitchen and he gets taken outside every couple of hours. Hes really good a peeing but the problem was pooing. He liked to do it in our other dogs cage or he would squeeze through the stair get and run upstairs and if there was a pile of dirty washing on the floor waiting to go in the machine he would do it on that.

I have had to be 1 step ahead of him. I locked the crate so he couldnt get in and i have taught him wee wee when he does a wee and toilet for when he does a poo. Im trying to teach him to go on command.
Everytime he does a wee outside or on the paper i say good boy wee wee, wee wee and he gets lots of praise. The same for a poo we say toilet, good boy toilet.
I think hes getting it gradually as mostly he poos outside now.
Im also this week training him to hold himself a little longer during the day, so he goes out for a wee then we wait 2 hrs at which time he would normally go out again, instead i lock him in his crate with a nice chew and leave him until he winges. Then we go out for a wee.
Hes been really good. The thing is now i think having the paper down as well as taking him out may confuse him a little.
Im considering taking the paper up, only thing is we live in a flat and i dont realish the thought of taking him out for his first we at about 6am on my own in the dark. Its not a great area and theres a few weirdos about. How i wish it was summer and it was light nice and early.
I hope some of what i do can maybe help you.
 

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Chico was making good progress until today. He was out at 7:30am and only did wee, and no Pooh. I think he may have gone in cage and ate it. UGH!
Around 11am, he went into laundry room and did his pooh on the rug. He was out during the day and did wee. He also did wee on the pad. Then at 4pm he was almost on the pad and started to pooh. Hubby grabbed him and put him on paper to finish but he ran off and left a trail across the floor. I think my hubby scared him. Later tonight he poohed in the dining room. That was his favorite spot. I guess we're back to square one with him.
 

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Tether-training. Yes it's tedious, seems like overkill, but it's the best, quickest method to have a dog housetrained.
Simply put, the dog is just never out of your sight. It's crated unless you can literally have her at your sight with a leash. Take her out frequently, praise when she'll go; otherwise she's by your side.
If she begins to eliminate in an appropriate area; the moment they squat; pick them up and redirect them to wherever you want to go.
You'll be with the dog constantly; so you'll be able to monitor everything. You'll literally be preventing any accident happening; and only setting the dog up to succeed. The dog can't be peeing or pooing if every moment they attempt to do so indoors; they get moved. I know its way easier to say then do; but I promise with this kind of diligence, the dog will learn VERY quickly where it needs to potty.. simply because it's never allowed the opportunity to go anywhere else. ;)
 

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It's so frustrating isn't it??? My latest rescue is a puppy and she insists on going in two areas in the kitchen. I have a gate and they are only allowed in here or in the bedroom with us when we are there. I decided to put the pads where she goes and she is using them now and I make a huge positive fuss. She does love going outside though and I take her out every 2 hours or so and that seems to be helping. Good luck and it WILL get better. These little darlings just love to test us, don't they??? I am getting too old to have puppies, that I know for sure. LOL.
 

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Maya has actually started scratching on my leg when she needs to go out. It is sometimes difficult to know if she simply wants to be picked up, or if she is trying to tell me she needs to go out. But I'll ask her if she needs to go out to go potty, and I can tell by her response that she does. I take her out and she immediately goes. I sure hope this continues, but within the last week, there have been only a couple of accidents. I think she is finally getting the idea! I sure hope everyone else has the same success!
 
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