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Greetings ! Okay, you all have been so extremely helpful to me before so I am going to ask all of you for "your" opinion. I have a beautiful tri smooth coat, apple head female that I know would throw some beautiful pups. She may not get bigger than four pounds and I have been told different opinions on whether a four pound Chi should be breed. I have a beautiful long coat male Chi I want to buy but he charts at four pounds as well. I do NOT want to breed my baby if she will be at risk. I have totally fallen in love with this breed but learning so many different opinions on them. I am aware that some times c sections are necessary. My concern is not that, but the health and well being of my baby. I guess I am asking if any of you have bred your small females and if so what was the outcome and size of stud ? The little boy I want to buy is beyond gorgeous with a good pedigree. Confused. Thank You so much. Blessings.
 

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no i wouldnt , have seen to many on this forum go through so much heart ache , but even if my girl was 6lb i still wouldnt breed her , i would never forgive myself if anything happened to her .
my cousins chi which she got as an older dog from a breeder nearly died giving birth and she is around 8lb so no matter what size there is a risk but 4lb to me would just be to small and a high risk .
 

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I know, I am beginning to decide I won't risk it. I get so many differing opinions. I would most definitely get an ultra sound done. She is no where near ready to breed anyway. I would not do it until she was 18 months. She was 2.6 lbs at 4 months of age. I am not sure what her actual adult weight would be, but I have been told 4 lbs. I would never forgive myself either if something happened to her. She is my baby. The little fellow I am getting sure will throw some cute pups but I think I am going to let someone else enjoy that. I get so many differing opinions. Thank you so much for responding so quickly. I love this board for that. No one ever sits on pins and needles for a response. :)
 

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Hi, I am new here, but have 50+ years experience with Chi's
I wouldn't breed from her at all if she is just a pet
Many people think it's easy, but it definitely isn't, neither would I let your dog be used at stud unless he is an excellent example of the breed & his pedigree is sought after.
Once a male has been used at stud, then that's all they have on their minds & can become a nuisance, urinating on furniture & trying to get out to find a mate.
Leave the breeding to the experts & just enjoy your Chi's as pets
 

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Is she registered? Is she is then have a look through her pedigree and do research. Phone the breeders of the first 3 generations to find out as much information as you can and about patella problems, if the dam's needed a c section and what the parent and pups weights were. Then do the same with the stud dog's.
A big bitch can throw tiny pups and a small bitch large pups you can never tell. same with the stud!
If she's not registered then get her spayed! You never know what dodgy breeding is behind her.
I'm guessing your in america if your talking about breeding long to smooth?
 

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Thank You Lou Lou.. Yes, I am in America. My Tess is NOT registered but comes from a VERY reputable breeder who has bred for a long,long time. Her grand parents are on site as is her parents. Both being small. Mother is four pounds, dad 5. Mom has not had any c sections nor has grandma. I would test against the std I was told about with any female I stud my male to as well as my male. There doesn't appear to be any Patella problems and the Molera she had has closed. As mentioned I would not breed her until she was 18 months. I have a vet that does ultra sounds which I of course would do. I see your beautiful doggy has gotten some ribbons. Awesome ! Beautiful dog for sure ! Thanks so much for helping me. The Chi is new to me. I just love them. :) It sure is a love at first sight relationship isn't it ?
 

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Thank You Lou Lou.. Yes, I am in America. My Tess is NOT registered but comes from a VERY reputable breeder who has bred for a long,long time. Her grand parents are on site as is her parents. Both being small. Mother is four pounds, dad 5. Mom has not had any c sections nor has grandma. I would test against the std I was told about with any female I stud my male to as well as my male. There doesn't appear to be any Patella problems and the Molera she had has closed. As mentioned I would not breed her until she was 18 months. I have a vet that does ultra sounds which I of course would do. I see your beautiful doggy has gotten some ribbons. Awesome ! Beautiful dog for sure ! Thanks so much for helping me. The Chi is new to me. I just love them. :) It sure is a love at first sight relationship isn't it ?
I'm not really into telling people to not breed, to many people will say don't breed her with out giving advice when why should you listen to them and go off and do it anyway. Then problems happen and no one has given any knowledge. (I'm not a breeder so don't know much but will be starting my breeding program sometime not so soon lol) it sounds like your doing research maybe you could ask her breeder to be your mentor. 4lbs is still quite small but not too small. I would be to scared but that's because I'm a wimp lol I know a lot of people who have breed smaller bitches that just popped out the pups.
How old is your girl? Maybe she will grow on a bit more than 4lbs u never know what could happen.
Thank you very much by boy is very special to me :) but I'm bias haha
 

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I never for a moment thought you were telling me whether to breed or not. I truly appreciate the advice I receive from here. I am a "whimp" too and that is why I am asking so many questions and researching :) My doggies are my babies and they are TOTALLY spoiled rotten. Just like a kid :) I am one who really wants to know the best for my babes. I am sooo excited about my new one. Haven't gotten him yet. :)
 

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I personally believe a 4 lb dog is too small to breed. I wouldn't take the risk.
 

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I am one of those who had a horrible experience last summer. My little girl weighted 4.2 lbs. and had a wide enought pelvis. She did deliver 3 own her own but still had to have a c-section and had 2 more pups. All but 1 died and then in the middle of losing the puppies Chloe started throwing up and diaherra and we almost lost her too. I will not ever breed another chihuahua.
I am very lucky and blesses to still have Chloe and her 1 puppy that survived. Just know that when people say you are risking your female it's not just talk, it really is true.
 

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Kay I was about to post that link. I am going to post this one as well as it gives good information ;-) http://www.chihuahua-people.com/chi-chat/42132-thinking-breeding.html

I personally would not breed a 4 lb bitch. I also wouldnt add to the over population of unwanted dogs out there, JMO :) You said your girl was not KC registered? I am just curious if your breeder agrees with you breeding her? Usually when they do not register them it is saying she is not to be bred?

It is ultimately up to you on whether you breed her or not. I commend you on doing your research and asking questions before jumping into it though. All in all it is about your precious girl in which she depends on you to keep her safe. I am sure you will continue your research and make decisions with that in mind :)
 

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I used to endorse my registrations " progeny not eligible for registration" to deter breeding.
Maybe the breeder has registered her but just witheld the papers?
 

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I just love you guys and your honest opinions. So few offer that anymore. :) My breeder does not register any of her pups. I found many that breed pure breds do not. Seriously my breeder is extremely recommended in our area as a chi breeder. Her opinion is that most only want akc to get more money when they sell or for show. I found a fifty / fifty on the akc papered Chi's. I see a lot of the CKC which I know does not amount to much. My little guy does have an outstanding pedigree with a champion line behind him. All breeders start out as beginners and believe me...I WILL NOT ever put my baby's life at risk. I have found a top notch vet that does ultra sounds on female bitches. So many differing opinions. I respect all of them and will take all of them into consideration. Bless You all for your help. :)
 

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If the breeder wanted your pup to be considered a potential breeding or show prospect, though, it would need to be registered. Since she's not, she is a pet, and should be spayed.
 

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I'm sorry but I have to play devil's advocate here.
If your bitch is not registered, then how do you know the pedigree you were shown was authentic, you have no way of checking without her papers.
Your breeder may be genuine, but unfortunately there are many that aren't
If I were you I would abandon any thoughts of breeding & just enjoy your little girl
 

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I am not sure where you get your statistics from but all reputable breeders register pups. Most will limit the registration to keep from them being bred. I am not sure what to think of this? Registering with AKC helps keep lines in order, to keep from having mixes, hereditary defects, etc... I have never ever heard of a reputable breeder not registering their pups. Not saying yours isnt reputable but I am saying your statistics on AKC is off. I am curious as to who your breeder is and if I recognize any names in her lines. Could you please pm me her site or information? Thanks :)
 

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Okay, the breeder I got my Tess from sells many unregistered Chi's. She does not register her dogs. Most people I know who own AKC dogs do not show them. It is about the love of the breed not anything else. In my opinion whether or not your pet is "registered" makes not difference on their quality. My toy poodle was definitely show and akc just didn't register her. My male toy I did register but did not breed. There are flaws in akc "pets" too. They can't keep track of all of them. An example, a male who has a testicle that does not descend should not be registered but I know of a case where this happened. Dog has papers. Not a good example of a breeder putting that into the akc line. Wish I could remember how to attach a pic. I would attach one of my Tess. Again, I thank you.
 

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I don't know much about breeding chi's or any dog for that matter... But, I do know that the breeder I got my baby from wanted to keep Roxy for her breeding program, however, she realized she would be much to small to breed... which is how I got her!! She'll only be an estimated 4 - 5 pounds as well. So, from what I have heard and from what our breeder told us about Roxy, I would say definitely do not breed your baby.
 
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