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hi, I'm yolanda, I've got a puppy who's half chihuahua and half chinese crested. he's got his mom's skin but his dad's attitude. mom was a very petite chinese crested, dad was a robust chihuahua. Timmy is a feisty little guy with a sharp brain and very delicate and sensitive body. He's very much concerned about me being displeased and responds well to scolding and praise. born march 20th, he's just about five months old. You can see some pics on my flickr page http://www.flickr.com/photos/annrkiszt/tags/chinesecrested/
I've joined a forum for chinese crested, it;s been a great resource, and a friend suggested this place for chihuahua related questions.
Like this one, is it common for chihuahuas to attack all strange dogs on sight, even when extremely young? How would you suggest I deal with it? I've been gathering lots of suggestions from various sources but chihuahua experience is short.
timmy has a love interest in my older dog Sarah, she's a heinz 57 "Shi'tzuranian cockapoo-poo" dog and dotes on him and tolerates pretty much anything. They play a lot and he clearly adores her just as much. The other old girl, Indigo, at 8 years the same age as Sarah but a lazy dog and battling a bad back and allergies, tolerates very little from him. Nevertheless he happily bosses them both around at will. the rabbit he cannot boss, hehehe but they have some fun playing chase when the rabbit's in the yard. dogs aren't allowed in the garden so that's where the rabbit can get away. Mostly Timmy is pretty good if he knows the rules, although he sometimes tries to bend them a bit. I am pretty confident he'll be fitting in just smooth by christmas. I'd like to take him to agility classes if I can get him past this aggressive streak.
 

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Hey yolanda.... good to see ya here.... its a great place for your chi answers.... timmy is certainly a cutie!!
 

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hi, I'm yolanda, I've got a puppy who's half chihuahua and half chinese crested.

is it common for chihuahuas to attack all strange dogs on sight, even when extremely young?
Welcome to the board!

To answer your question.... absolutely NO, it is NOT common for Chi's to attack all strange dogs on sight. ESPECIALLY when puppies.

You might benefit from reading the recent post by another member about her "mean" chihuahua. Some good info there.

I would suggest you read up and do some research as much as you can on aggression issues in puppies. But to link it as a possible trait of Chi's - absolutely NO WAY is that common in chihuahua's.
 

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Okay, i don't know much about chihuahuas except years ago I heard they were counted #1 on the list of dogs most likely to attack! They have a strong folk reputation for fierceness and quickness to attack non-family members. I've seen it first hand too so I expect they do less well with poor socialization than perhaps a shi'tzu or collie, etc. I love the small package. timmy isn't nearly as snappy as he was 2 weeks ago so I might be getting a handle on it. There's a reggae festival downtown today so I'll take him there for a bit and give him more experience.
 

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Okay, i don't know much about chihuahuas except years ago I heard they were counted #1 on the list of dogs most likely to attack! They have a strong folk reputation for fierceness and quickness to attack non-family members. I've seen it first hand too so I expect they do less well with poor socialization than perhaps a shi'tzu or collie, etc. I love the small package. timmy isn't nearly as snappy as he was 2 weeks ago so I might be getting a handle on it. There's a reggae festival downtown today so I'll take him there for a bit and give him more experience.
Welcome to the forum

But that info is a pile of dog poop. Number 1 to attack hahahaha chis are tiny and not stupid. They can be snappy and yappy but that's normally down to bad breedig or more than likely bad ownership. Socialisation is the key.
Don't get me wrong any dog can attack if prevoked (as can any human) but as a responsible owner you need to socialise it give discipline and affection at the right time
 

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Oh I'm not saying it's okay for a dog to be badly behaved because it's X breed, just that if it's a breed with a particular tendency, one needs to be more aware and work harder to control that feature. Like when I had a dog who was half pitbull, I had to introduce her to more small animals and teach her gentleness more earnestly than if she'd been, say, a newfie or some other gentle giant. Timmy is getting better. he still goes kind of nutty when another dog comes up to us but he quits sooner and starts later and struggles less if I hold him still. he's a bit less violent about it. I had him out in the park today and one little dog came pawing at my legs as I sat with Timmy on my lap. he didn't like that one little bit (cute soft thing charmed me and I wish I could have petted it) but he didn't lose his head as bad as two weeks ago at least.
it's embarassing though, a lot of people get offended as though I'd taught my dog to be an a$$ towards other dogs.
 

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Do you have any puppy socialization classes you could take him to? He desperately needs it or you will be dealing with dog aggression for the next 15 years.
 

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@brodysmom I really wish we did! I cannot even find a local obedience class that uses clicker training or other positive reinforcement methods and takes only small dogs. This is a small city in the middle of a lot of farmland and yet we are the local big city for a very sparsely populated region. it's why I'm trying to farm for as many concrete suggestions as I can. i've been taking advantage of our summer and all the local festivals and such to try and expose him to other dogs but it's asking a lot of complete strangers to socialize my dog for me. What's more, none of us really knows what we're doing so we are fumbling around at it.
He's good with my two dogs at home and the neighbor's dog. When I took him over there the first time he was savage towards her so we locked him in a kennel and I left. Right after I was gone the neighbor let him out and he made instant friends with her dog. After that, it's been fine. If he could meet other dogs without me there we'd probably find it was okay.
 

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What about these folks??

http://www.shopsaskatchewan.com/saskatoon/buena-vista-kennels.htm

They do socialization classes as well as basic obedience and onto advanced classes. They also do private training. I would use them as a resource. I would go check them out and then go from there. If you don't like their training methods, they should be able to refer you on to someone else. You need to connect with the dog knowledgeable people and they look like a good place to start!

Oh, I also checked out your pics from your first post link. Wow, he looks EXACTLY like a chinese crested! I don't see any Chihuahua in him at all! He is very cute. :)
 

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Wow, he looks EXACTLY like a chinese crested! I don't see any Chihuahua in him at all! He is very cute. :)
I agree.... adorable and a cutie!! but I see the Chihuahua in his snout and legs(length).... either way, he is certainly a masterpiece!
 

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hey brodysmom, I know of that kennel and I've heard less than flattering things. I asked the woman who taught the clicker class I took with my Sarah to accustom her to other dogs (terrified of them) and she told me there's not a one in town she'd recommend, that they're all punitive. I begged her to run a class but she's busy with her baby and acreage and doesn't have a location anyway.
all the same I'll poke around sometime this month and see what comes up.
yeah, he looks a lot like a crested till you take a second look at his body type. His head is rounder and larger, his ears bigger, his eyes rounder and more forward (crested look a lot like sight hounds) and his body is rounder too. He's also much smaller.
 

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additional: I just did a closer look at the info on classes and they specifically state that you must use a collar, not a "gentle" type of harness, halti, etc. and that if you can't control your dog, then one of their staff will take the dog from the car and show you how to handle it...
I'm dead certain this dog can learn to mind without being choked, dangled, yanked off it's feet, whacked upside the head or otherwise given a bad fright. don't get me wrong, I've thrown objects at him (purposely missing) to get his attention, picked him up partly by the neck (but with support) and other attention getting acts, but I won't put a collar on his tiny neck. You can damage these little guys easily and I'm also earning so much trust from him that I will not risk losing that trust by becoming the adversary. I want a dog that obeys because a: he respects me and b: he loves me and c: he understands what I'm asking!
What I need is access to a lot of strange dogs, a patient dog person who'll parade him through, and whom I can trust if I walk away.
i think I'll contact the kennel where I boarded my other two dogs last year and see if she'll take timmy for afternoons and get him used to boarding dogs. he's fine if I'm not there I think.
 

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additional: I just did a closer look at the info on classes and they specifically state that you must use a collar, not a "gentle" type of harness, halti, etc. and that if you can't control your dog, then one of their staff will take the dog from the car and show you how to handle it...
I'm dead certain this dog can learn to mind without being choked, dangled, yanked off it's feet, whacked upside the head or otherwise given a bad fright. don't get me wrong, I've thrown objects at him (purposely missing) to get his attention, picked him up partly by the neck (but with support) and other attention getting acts, but I won't put a collar on his tiny neck. You can damage these little guys easily and I'm also earning so much trust from him that I will not risk losing that trust by becoming the adversary. I want a dog that obeys because a: he respects me and b: he loves me and c: he understands what I'm asking!
What I need is access to a lot of strange dogs, a patient dog person who'll parade him through, and whom I can trust if I walk away.
i think I'll contact the kennel where I boarded my other two dogs last year and see if she'll take timmy for afternoons and get him used to boarding dogs. he's fine if I'm not there I think.
If he's ok without you then I'm sorry to say but it's you who needs training, it sounds awful me saying that but you've answered your own question. I think you need to work on becoming his leader tbh google nilif you need to gain respect from him and that may help!

Walk him around a pet shop and ask the strangers to give him a treat that can help with socialisation
 

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LOL, it's okay to tell me things that criticize me, but you must also accept when I argue back! In fact it's not about me being leader but about him being possessive or protective. I've had some success setting him down, and at a friend's house I handed him to her first and he was easy to deal with. He did find her many dogs frightening but instead of going on the offensive just tried to hide his butt. Eventually he set up shop behind my purse and warded a small space around it. Then we dragged him off that and set him on the floor while we chatted and he still didn't wind up playing but neither was he obnoxious. another hour and I think he'd have relaxed.
I am working on the respect, with things like making him sit before he eats, making him wait for things, going inside first, etc. Making him come when I call is still slow going but we're getting there and meantime I don't trust him off leash outside our yard.
He is still pretty young and plus having the two older dogs changes things, it's harder to work with him because they're always squeaking from behind the barrier or they're in the space from us (small house) and it's also harder to find time to work on training. So it's a bit slower than it might be had he been an only dog.
 

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Thank you! He really causes a sensation where ever we go. Whether he's dressed up in clothes or naked and adorned with a necklace, everyone just points and smiles and wants to meet him. he's great with little kids, giving out kisses to anyone who comes by.
 

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In fact it's not about me being leader but about him being possessive or protective.
Well, yes and no. Yes, the problem is that he is being aggressive, but you also need to establish yourself as his leader and authority figure. I'm not saying that you haven't tried and/or trying... these little guys have quite a hard head! Pip and I have been working on some food aggression that she has. When I first brought her home she would growl at me if I came near her food dish/kennel... and if Elliot came near either one she would go berserk. I've been working with her, establishing my authority as the pack leader and she's been doing beautifully.

I really think that training would be extremely helpful, even if you had to travel 20miles or so a couple of times each week to do it.

http://www.canpages.ca/business/SK/saskatoon/dog-training/6008-254300.html

I'm not all that familiar with the Saskatoon area, but here are some links that come up when I search for "Dog Obedience Training" in the Saskatoon area.

And here is an article that I have used in reference to helping me get Pip's aggression under control.

http://ahimsadogtraining.com/blog/resource-guarding/
 

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Well, yes and no. Yes, the problem is that he is being aggressive, but you also need to establish yourself as his leader and authority figure. I'm not saying that you haven't tried and/or trying... these little guys have quite a hard head! Pip and I have been working on some food aggression that she has. When I first brought her home she would growl at me if I came near her food dish/kennel... and if Elliot came near either one she would go berserk. I've been working with her, establishing my authority as the pack leader and she's been doing beautifully.

I really think that training would be extremely helpful, even if you had to travel 20miles or so a couple of times each week to do it.

http://www.canpages.ca/business/SK/saskatoon/dog-training/6008-254300.html

I'm not all that familiar with the Saskatoon area, but here are some links that come up when I search for "Dog Obedience Training" in the Saskatoon area.

And here is an article that I have used in reference to helping me get Pip's aggression under control.

http://ahimsadogtraining.com/blog/resource-guarding/
I really think I have established myself as leader. Well, Goddess really, LOL But he thinks he's doing a good thing for me and teaching him that it's not wanted seems to be the challenge. Because when he's in that state he's already too emotional to mind himself or hear me.
I have already investigated the obedience available and they all use choke training, even if they don't require a choke collar. the only person who was doing positive reinforcement training aka clicker training, has quit to focus on her new baby. I contacted her directly about this and she told me that she would not recommend a single one of the classes in town.
Regarding driving 20 miles. LOL this city is the center, anything within a day's drive is smaller. It's 3 hours drive to Regina which is almost as large as Saskatoon, and then to get to edmonton takes 8-10 hours, while winnipeg is more like 12-16 hours depending on your stamina and willingness to speed.
20 miles from here will dump you in an area so rural you can find places to stand where you cannot see any buildings at all, just grain and oilseed fields. 2 hours north, it's all boreal forest.
If I could take us to any kind of class where he'd get exposure to other dogs I'd be there, and i'm making inquires of the local agility association. They are the best possibility at this time since I'm confident I can cope with general obedience fine myself.
Oh, as per the link (which is quite interesting) I"m reminded to mention that he is not aggressive with anyone or anything else to an unreasonable degree, just when we're out and he sees another dog out and about. I can take even very favoured food from him easily. He does ward his dish at mealtime from my greedy shi'tzu cross. the other dog he willingly allows in.
 
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