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I posted a picture a couple of days ago of a chocolate and white girl, currently named Cassidy. I've been sending emails back and forth with the breeder... In face my in box is full!

And here is what I have learned. She is 6 weeks old and will be leaving at 8 weeks. The breeder, Joanna, is willing to deliver her since she is licensed pet courier and is only charging cost of fuel. She is also trained to microchip and will be sending them away microchipped. She is also trained in pet first aid (she ws on a course today) she likes to keep in touch with the people that she rehomes her puppies with and says she feels cheated if they don't keep in touch. She asked me questions, such as if I had any other dogs and seemed very interested in the information about how she would be cared for. She seemed keen on the fact that she would have Mylo to play with. She answered all my questions and there were a lot of them!

She said that they are all pretty laid back pups. She's likely to be around 5lbs full grown as her parents are around that size but pointed out that a weight does not necessarily denote a size as they carry their weights differently. They sleep in a pen with bedding and puppy pads and the bedding will increase and pads decrease over time. They're weaning well and are good at going on the pads and not on their bedding. They will be socialised for the next two weeks taking trips into town, going in cars, meeting various people etc. She will come with vaccination if she's big enough and the vet is happy. They have been vet checked and will be checked again before they leave. Parents have been checked for luxating patella and scored well.

They're currently on a food called Healthy Paws which she distributes. She said it is a holistic food because she wasn't happy with any commercial brands. She likes the sound of ziwipeak but has not heard of it. The puppy pack comes with a towel, blanket, food, shampoo, perfume (??), papers (pedigree and KC registered), training manual and a CD of photos and videos.

They bred the mother some had sent me a photo of the grandmother who is now retired and living with a friend, but comes back to visit. She rescues and rehabilitates chihuahuas and currently has a pack of 15. She's sent me some pics which I will post below. She says another family is interested and has asked to come and see her tomorrow. She has mentioned these before and I'm not sure if it may be a ploy to hurry me up!

To me, although the pup is expensive, the breeder seems to be too good to be true. She is kennel club assured though and her name and location are on the website. The date of the last litter says they were born end of June and registered in August but I assume that is not this litter as they are 6 weeks old today...I assume they're just not registered yet? Her email address is on there and it is the same one I have been in contact with. She agreed to drop the price by £50 which will more or less cover the delivery cost and she wants a £200 deposit.

What do you guys all think? Does it sound good? Does it sound legit? Could she be the one? It's such a big decision with her being so expensive. It's particularly a lot of money to me as we don't usually have a lot of money. Sorry about the HUGE post! Thanks for reading! :eek:

 

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I'm confused, who are all the photos of? Is it just me, or do some/most of those Chocs seem to have rather long muzzles, I always struggle telling from a photo (except when it comes to the beauteous Gemma, Bella etc.) but I just can't get past that question with these.

Of course, that also depends on whether you demand a super short snout, I personally don't, prone to more teeth probs imo.
 

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She sounds great and the chi's look lovely but if you have any doubts don't go along with it, I really wouldn't buy without seeing tbh.
I assume if you did buy the first time you will see her will be at your doorstep?

I would wait personally, another one will come along and will probably be perfect.
I'm seeing so many gorgeous litters past few days online and oh how I wish I was in your situation of buying another ! x
 

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Pardon my ignorance, but what is kennel club assured? How is that different from registered?






And Dee, which Bella are you talking about?
 

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You mean KC accredited? That's what you put in your previous post. If so, them my alarm bells are ringing. KC accredited breeders agree to abide by a whole set of rules/guidelines, one of which is to not let puppies go before 12 weeks.
 

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Pardon my ignorance, but what is kennel club assured? How is that different from registered?






And Dee, which Bella are you talking about?
Well yours & mine me darlin' - yours has a gorgeous little head & muzzle to die for, my Bella was gifted with a looooong ski-jump affair for a snoz ... I often tell her I'm going to cut off half her nose to make her a real Chi, not sure what I'd do about the rest of the voluminous body though lmao.
 

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Also, she is describing the pup as chocolate sable, it can't be a sable if both parents are self coloured. I'm assuming the lilac tri pictured is dad and the 3rd choc along in the top pic is mum as she described her as 'chocolate tuxedo' which I assume means white bib and paws, it isn't a technical term.
 

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Well yours & mine me darlin' - yours has a gorgeous little head & muzzle to die for, my Bella was gifted with a looooong ski-jump affair for a snoz ... I often tell her I'm going to cut off half her nose to make her a real Chi, not sure what I'd do about the rest of the voluminous body though lmao.


You think so? I find Bella's muzzle to be a mess, too tiny, she has teeth that
weren't able to grow out properly because the muzzle just has no room. As
for your Bella, she sounds like my Chanel...such a big girl, doesn't even look
like the same breed with that long body, legs and nose. But what a love muffin
though. Wouldn't trade her for the world.
 

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I just checked, and it isn't the KC Accredited/Assured breeder scheme that requires them to be a minimum of 12 weeks, my mistake, I apologise.
She sounds like a good breeder who cares about her puppies, and I like the look of the little girl. I think she will end up a lighter chocolate colour.
 

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So you think I'd be ok going for her? What does the KC assured scheme entail exactly?
I'm not bothered by a longer muzzle really. I think Mylo's is probably a little long and I think he's gorgeous! Not sure who all the pics are of. The first, ginger ish one is the grandmother but I've asked her who the others are. All being well I shall put a deposit down tomorrow if you guys think it's good/ safe? I think with my limitations there's a slim chance I'm going to find one from a good breeder around here. More opinions please!
 

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I think she's great! And perfect for your driving situation. And comes from a good breeder....hmmmm all signs point to YES!! Can u put deposit down w PayPal? That way you have an electronic receipt? She's really really gorgeous!! I say do it!!
 

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Do you know what health tests have been done on the parents (eyes, knees, etc)? She should be able to show you results, especially regarding LP.

Why is she letting the pup go at 8 weeks if these "accredited" breeders have to keep the pups until 12 weeks?

Does she make that dog food herself? Have you heard of it? Ingredients? This is more to satisfy my curiosity lol.

What questions did she ask you? Did she ask what your lifestyle is like at all? What did she tell you about the pups personality and how she would fit in with your family?

I'd worry about her rushing you. Sounds a bit like a bluff to force you into making a quick decision.

I tend to be skeptical of "too good to be true" situations, personally. But there is no reason you can't go see the puppy before you deposit, right? Check out the living conditions, ask for health testing proof, and check the puppy's personality out. I wouldn't deposit without meeting her, mom, and the pups.

Sorry to be critical, I know how hard it is to hear when you are searching so hard. It took me months to find Toby so I understand that. But you want to make sure she is everything you want, especially of she is quite expensive. So these are just some more things to think about?

Edited to add: after reading Stella's post, I feel better about the breeder. To be assured it seems that they have to do health testing and jump through other hoops.

And I agree, the puppy is beautiful. Although I wouldn't deposit on a puppy I hadn't met, in your situation it may be your best option.

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Personally I like the look of her, pretty colour and markings, not too extreme head shape, and 5lbs is a nice weight, neither too big nor too small. I don't think she is overpriced either. My friend who breeds Chi's would charge me £850 for a bitch puppy without papers, and that is mates rates.
The Assured breeder scheme is getting mixed reviews amongst my breeder friends. This is from the KC website:

Assured breeders must
Hand over the dog's registration certificate at time of sale if available, or forward it to the new owner as soon as possible
Explain any endorsements that might pertain and obtain written and signed confirmation from the new owner, at or before the date on which the dog is physically transferred, that the new owner is aware of the endorsement(s), regardless of whether or not the endorsed registration certificate is available
Follow Kennel Club policy regarding maximum age and number/frequency of litters
Permanently identify breeding stock by DNA profile, microchip, or tattoo
Make use of health screening schemes, relevant to their breed, on all breeding stock. These schemes include DNA testing, hip dysplasia, elbow dysplasia and inherited eye conditions
Socialise the puppies and provide written advice, in the Puppy Sales Wallet, on continuation of socialisation, exercise and future training
Provide written advice, in the scheme Puppy Sales Wallet, on feeding and worming programmes
Provide a written record, in the Puppy Sales Wallet, on the immunisation measures taken
Provide reasonable post-sales telephone advice
Inform buyers of the requirements and the recommendations that apply to Kennel Club Assured Breeders as well as the existence of the complaints procedure
Draw up a contract of sale (see below link) for each puppy and provide a copy in the Puppy Sales Wallet
Provide a list of breed specific traits and tendencies or any further breed specific advice or information that may enhance the puppy buyers understanding of the breed they are buying

Assured breeders are strongly encouraged to
Make sure that whelping facilities accord with good practice
The contract of sale should clearly lay out to the buyer the nature and details of any guarantee given (e.g. time limit) and/or any provisions for refund or return and replacement of puppy. If endorsements are being used the contract should also explain why these have been placed and under what circumstances they would be removed (if any). The contract should be signed and dated by both breeder and purchaser, showing that both have agreed to these terms
Commit to help, if necessary, with the re-homing of a dog, for whatever reason, throughout the dog's lifetime
Follow relevant breed health screening recommendations

So it is just stuff that you would expect from a good breeder and of course is no guarantee that you are getting a decent pup, especially with Chi's which have no specific health tests recommended. They do perform checks though, I think on all breeders who register more than 2 litters a year.
 

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Stella, your post made me feel better about this breeder. Thanks for the clarification. I am a naturally skeptical person so I still question it until I see it with my own eyes. It doesn't help that I don't know much about the practices in the uk.

However, you have to feel comfortable, Melissa. If you like this breeder and the puppy, do what feels right! Whatever decision you make, as long as your family is happy then it's worth it!!


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Lol I am naturally skeptical too, there are so many scams regarding tiny puppies, but she does sound genuine to me. The fact that she had the parents' patellas checked when she wasn't required to speaks volumes.
 

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If you love the look of her, then MAKE HER YOURS before someone else does, we all know how quickly they get snapped up. If I wanted her I'd be on the phone doing a paypal or online bank transfer (so you can still send her a copy of the Bank transaction receipt) before the other family gets there .... I don't think that's a ploy to hurry you up, I always tell the truth when someone wants to buy something expensive from me, especially if I like the person enquiring, so as to give them the best opportunity of getting what they want before anyone else does.

All boxes are well & truly ticked as far as I can see.
 
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