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Hey everyone,

This isn't about my chi but somebody just as small :). Maggie is due to be spayed in the next month. He doesn't want to book her in right away because she still has 2 fangs that haven't come in. He wants to make sure that she doesn't need them pulled so we have to wait a bit.

I asked about removing her front dew claws and he said they don't do that. Shiver's were removed before I got her and it makes it easier to do her nails and also it prevents any snagging that might happen. The vet said it's alot more difficult to remove them when they're older as they are separate digits.

What do you guys think of this? It was a new vet so I'm unsure...
 

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most vets wont remove the front, and the back dewclaws are only removed if there loose. the dewclaws actually fuse (just like a finger) after the first few days of life, the front dewclaws are positiond EVERY close to some major nerve clusters and a large artery so the surgery is not only very painfull its also dangerous.
the back dewclaws tend to not fuse quite as strongly, whiel there are some nerve endings and a large vein in the same area on the back legs because the bone doesnt usually fuse as strongly the surgery is safer (all be it about the same if not MORE expensive then the neuter/spay itself)

dodger just had his back dewies removed during his neuter, the vet said she didnt want to remove the front as the pain is much more in the fron tthan the back and usually the front dont get caught, its usulaly only the back dewclaws that cause the big problems.
so its not unusual for a vet to not remove the front but remove the back, only 25% of dogs have their back dewclaws naturally.

it is a more painfull recovery and dodger has been on painmeds (and will be for another couple of days) because of the claw removal, the neuter itself was fairly simple its his legs that are sore.

hope this answers your question!
 

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It does, thanks. I'll just learn how to cut her dew claws myself. I've done the rest all this time, I'm sure that I can figure it out.
 

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The fangs, the vet wants to wait to see if they fall out??? Trixie didn't loose hers till around a year old, and Rainbow was a year October 31 and still has hers. She has 2 baby on top and one baby tooth on the bottom. So you coulod have a long wait.
 

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He said to give it another month. If the adult teeth don't come out by then, we'll go ahead with the spay and hope that the baby teeth fall out on their own.
 

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Okay, so here's my next question about this. Is it inhumane if we had those 2 upper fangs removed when we get her spayed, just to make sure there's no problem? It's kind of preventative measures. I'm just saying that if I wait for another month and they haven't started to come in yet, I don't want to wait too long to have her fixed. The vet said about having her fixed to avoid cancer and every heat she's allowed heightens her risk of getting it (if you get them before going into heat at all the percentage of getting it is basically nil). So I asked if she does have one heat before we have her fixed, how much of a percentage does that go up. He said it's minimal but I don't even want a 1% chance.

I also don't want to have to anethetize (sp?) her any more than I have to. Help!
 

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I would be more concerned with her going into heat than the teeth comming in. I don't think the fangs are necessary as long as she doesn't have to hunt and take down her own live food. Maybe the are place holders so the other teeth don't move?
If your feeding her she chews with her back teeth.
Maybe the vet could take an x-ray while she is asleep and see if the adult fangs are even there? The baby fangs will eventually fall out on their own anyway so if she doesn't have any adult ones she's still going to be without them at some point.
 

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it shouldnt be a problem with the fangs, as Ms_P said, unless shes hunting her food, the caninaes (fangs) are basically a remnant of their wild days.
the canines also arnt usually as deeply rooted as some of the other teeth removal of the canines tends to be rather simple compared to some. the last extraction i saw in person the vet had the 2 upper canines to pull, plus 3 back teeth, the entire 5 teeth took 5 minutes, and that pup was eating solid food the next day.
i definatly think the spay is more important than the teeth...
the extra time under anesthesia shouldnt be anymore than a few minutes more, and the vets tend to take a little extra security and moitoring with the smaller breeds...
 

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Yes, but she will be getting her big teeth in shortly. Why would I want to risk putting her under again when I can get it done with her spay? The risks of leaving them or waiting until they come in outweigh this IMO. I'm requesting that they be removed and I'm making this appointment for the next couple of weeks. She'll be 6 months on Dec 5th.
Thanks for your insight Foxy.
 

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actually chis tend to manouver things with the paws and tounge, even when carrying something in their mouth most chis use primarily their back teeth, the canines are the killing teeth, they are used for puncturing and actually not as strong as the other teeth because of their lenght they tend to break more easily than the other teeth!
they also tend to be the first ones lost with old age (many of the hairless breeds lose their canines before their 4 yrs old.) dont worry hers will grow in, sometimes the root from the "baby" canine can hinder the grow in of the adult canine, you might find that theyll pull the baby canine and the adult one will be right there
 

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To pull or not is Canadiandawn's decision, and she has some good reasons to pull. I just wanted to point out that fangs are not useless, leftover body parts like human appendices.

I learned about the use of fangs for catching and holding at the vet's when we were discussing removing Boop's during spaying. At 6 months, Boop's adult fangs looked full-grown, but the baby fangs were still there, with a looooong root as it turned out.
 
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