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could it be the weather guys? it is getting awfully chilly out now~ i mean hes lost hair before but now its looking more bald if u can see from his recent pics, its blatantly visible. poor baby boy :sad5: hes on cooked chicken and THK...so i dont think its his food? he has been scratching more lately but hes been on time with his flea/tick and heartworm preventatives...no dry skin though

anyone have an idea of what it can be? could it be alopecia being more severe now as he ages since hes blue?
 

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Does he have CDA (Color Dilution Alopecia)? It will get worse as they age sometimes, I know Zoey's has. Also hair loss on the back can be a sign of a low thyroid. Try giving him Melatonin, it has helped Zoey not become as 'severe' as some with CDA

"TREATING SEASONAL FLANK ALOPECIA" by JEFFERS, JAMES, VMD, DIP ACVD Seasonal flank alopecia is a recently described syndrome usually seen in Airedales and Boxers which has, as its main clinical feature, the development of flank alopecia and hyperpigmentation in the fall with spontaneous regrowth by springtime. Dogs with seasonal flank alopecia have received melatonin implants (available for foxes and mink) in the fall which averted the disease. More interestingly, two Boxers who also had concurrent pattern baldness (a hair follicular dysplasia) grew hair in the alopecic area. A dosage of 0.2 mg/kg/day of oral melatonin is being currently investigated for its ability to non specifically stimulate hair regrowth in dogs with follicular dysplasia or nonhormonal hair cycle abnormalities. The drug is most widely available as 1.5 or 3 mg tablets.
The above is reprinted with permission from Dr. Jeffers.
[Note: 0.2 mg/kg/day is approximately 1 mg per 11 pounds of body weight. Dr. Jeffers told me that he uses this dosage.]
Since CDA is a form of FD, and melatonin seems to work in some cases of FD, some vets are now recommending melatonin for blue and fawn Dobermans with CDA. Dr. Jeffers told me that it seems to work in about half of the cases. Only time will tell whether it is a good treatment for CDA.
 

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I don't think its his food either, its got all the correct vitamins/minerals so as long as he's getting enough of it I do wonder too if its CDA as he's a blue?

I wonder if you could give him a supplement too like missing link or nupro? Oakley won't eat hers on her food so I mix it up and give it to her with a kid's medicine dropper... a little bit of a pain in the butt but manageable lol. It also will take 8-12 weeks before you start to see improvements from any new diet. So the extra vitamins/minerals may not have had time to kick in yet.

But overall I do wonder if it's CDA...its much more common than you'd think, and more common in blues than chocolates.
 

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hey cheetah what is Melatonin? where can i get it? :( i diagnosed him myself saying he has alopecia because i have no other conclusions of why he began losing his back and head hair so early :( i tried givin him salmon oil and halo oil filled with stuff in it to help him but it didn't work
 

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I don't think its his food either, its got all the correct vitamins/minerals so as long as he's getting enough of it I do wonder too if its CDA as he's a blue?

I wonder if you could give him a supplement too like missing link or nupro? Oakley won't eat hers on her food so I mix it up and give it to her with a kid's medicine dropper... a little bit of a pain in the butt but manageable lol. It also will take 8-12 weeks before you start to see improvements from any new diet. So the extra vitamins/minerals may not have had time to kick in yet.

But overall I do wonder if it's CDA...its much more common than you'd think, and more common in blues than chocolates.
hmmm...nupro i was thinking of getting that before but unsure as if dexter will take it. what kinda smell does it give off? hes very very picky!
 

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My others love it, but the picky one, Oakley, doesn't so like I said, I just force her to take it. But Dex might like it. hehe I am not sure you can trust my sense of smell on it tho cuz remember I think THK smells like human casserol! But it smells kind of like a strong beefy broth to me haha. He'd need about a teaspoon of it a day. You can easily mix that with water and suck it up in a medicine dropper and just shoot it down his throat if he wont eat it on his own like I do for Oakley.

Melatonin can be bought at any drug store and its cheap. For ppl tho, I don't think you can buy it specifically for dogs.
 

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Fiddle is shedding major league atm, but its getting hotter here, so that normal then yeah?
 

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Yes as Kristi said you can pick it up at any grocery store in the vitamin section, it usually helps people sleep. You might have to cut it up as it's only 1mg per 11#. CDA usually starts along the midline/back/spine. That is where Zoey has hers the worst, that and the side of her head between her ears/eyes. I just started her on the Nupro supplement and she eats it right up, it has liver in it. I also mix it in with her food, so if he's eating good that's an option too. The company will send you a taste sample.If you would like more information or a Taste Sample of the product please call 1-800-360-3300.

CDA is characterized by loss of hair from dilutely pigmented areas. Coats are normal at birth, and onset of hair loss usually begins between six months and three years of age. Hair loss usually begins along the dorsal midline (middle of the back) and often spares the head, tail and limbs. The pattern seems to vary from breed to breed. It has been suggested(6) that darker colored (steel blue) individuals are less likely to be affected, may be less severely affected or may start to lose hair later in life than lighter colored dogs. This suggests that the severity of the disease may be related to the amount of dilution present. .Deeply pigmented or white areas of coat are unaffected. In blue dogs with tan points (Yorkies and Dobermans) the tan areas retain a normal appearance. In piebald (white spotted) individuals, the white areas are unaffected by the hair loss. The hair loss may be total or partial and any remaining hairs are usually sparse, rough and easily broken or removed. The skin in the affected areas is usually scaly and may occasionally develop bacterial infections. Pruritus (itching) is usually absent, unless a bacterial infection has set in.
 

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Oh dexter dexter :( is CDA due to two dilute jeans being bred together???

Chasely yes that's normal sc shed all year round more so than longs who just shed seasonly but in hot spells they shed and in winter their coats wt thicker
 

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Oh dexter dexter :( is CDA due to two dilute jeans being bred together???

Chasely yes that's normal sc shed all year round more so than longs who just shed seasonly but in hot spells they shed and in winter their coats wt thicker
i have no idea :( i just hope he wont look bald later on LOL~ he'll be looking like a grumpy old man :confused:
 

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Yes Dexter, Zoey tries to nibble on her blue spots, can't reach all of them but she will sometimes act like a bug is up her butt and chew on them lol.
 

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Oh dexter dexter :( is CDA due to two dilute jeans being bred together???

Chasely yes that's normal sc shed all year round more so than longs who just shed seasonly but in hot spells they shed and in winter their coats wt thicker
No it has to do more with the actual dilute color itself. I don't know exactly the science behind it, but they are just more prone to alopecia. From what I've read they aren't entirely sure why it develops.

colour dilution alopecia is good basics
 

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Are you sure he's not allergic to chicken or having a reaction to the flea/tick meds? Does he always start itching right after you give either of these things? I started Midgie on the Nupro about 3 weeks ago & what a difference in her. Her skin & coat look 10 times better; I can tell she feels better; & Oooohhhh does she love it. I give 3 pinches in her THK once a day. This stuff smells excellent; makes me want to add it to my food. Since THK is water-based, I stir the Nupro in & it makes like a gravy. She loves this THK food, but I can tell she enjoys it much more with the NUPRO. I'm thankful to this forum for the advice on the Nupro.
 

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Maybe he has allergies. When Reese is itchy he goes for one or two spots for the most part. He is allergic to something, I was thinking chicken and/or grains, so he is on a grain free 6 fish food and LOVES it, he has been on it about a month. Anyway, sometimes he is more itchy than others, and when he went in to the vets with me and Leo on Friday to have his knees checked (all good, zero luxation :) ) I asked about it because he has a little bald spot right now by his tail and a thin spot on his side, two spots where he has been scratching and biting frequently. Our vet said he has seasonal allergies to the same things that we do, as sometimes it goes away and sometimes it becomes more constant itchiness, he is probably allergic to the same things we are, like pollen etc. He said we can give him half of a childrens benadryl, a few times a day and it should help him. I havent tried that yet bc I know benadryl knocks me out for 6 hours and I dont want him in a drugged up daze. I was actually meaning to ask on here if anyone has tried it and side effects, etc. He has had little bald spots before, and then it grows back when he itches less.
Also, what about mites? Have you had your vet do a scrape of his spot? When Reese was a puppy he had a little bald spot on his shoulder that started tiny and gradually grew, they did a scrape at the vet and it was demodectic mange- evidently they all carry the mites but usually their systems are strong enough not to have a problem, and they thought Reese could clear it up on his own just as easily as meds would fix it, and it did go away within a week or two. So maybe mites are making Dexter itchy? I know youve said you got him from a pet store, we got Reese from a petstore too. A "nicer" one than most, but a he is a puppymill guy- it seems like you just get more of these weird little things with them when they werent as carefully bred.
Hope you get to the bottom of it, a bald Dexter would still be cute, but I rather like his coat!
 

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pidge, you can email the company for taste samples of Nupro if you want to see if Dexter will like it before you buy it. A lot of specialty pet food stores also have Nupro taste samples to give out as well if that's an option. My dogs love Nupro but my mom tried it with her picky chihuahua and her chi didn't like it at all.

Our Glory, also a LC blue tri, gets mildly bare patches when she blows her coat. When her new coat comes back in all the bare patches get filled in and covered up. Earlier this year she got hot spots on her back at the bases of her tail and she kept biting and biting the area until it was bald. I put cortizone on the area daily and it healed in about a week or two but it took another month or two for her bald spot to fill back in.

Several times I've wondered if Glory (3 years old) has some form of CDA since her mom, Faith, is a blue tricolor and her dad is a blue merle.
 

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Yes Dexter, Zoey tries to nibble on her blue spots, can't reach all of them but she will sometimes act like a bug is up her butt and chew on them lol.
lol!!! same here haha!

Are you sure he's not allergic to chicken or having a reaction to the flea/tick meds? Does he always start itching right after you give either of these things? I started Midgie on the Nupro about 3 weeks ago & what a difference in her. Her skin & coat look 10 times better; I can tell she feels better; & Oooohhhh does she love it. I give 3 pinches in her THK once a day. This stuff smells excellent; makes me want to add it to my food. Since THK is water-based, I stir the Nupro in & it makes like a gravy. She loves this THK food, but I can tell she enjoys it much more with the NUPRO. I'm thankful to this forum for the advice on the Nupro.
he doesn chew and itch all the time, just sometimes. im pretty sure hes not allergic to chicken...that would suck! he loves loves chicken. could be the advantix? or advantage whichever one it is...could be the coldness?...maybe i should try nupro. i saw that there are 2 types which one is better?

Maybe he has allergies. When Reese is itchy he goes for one or two spots for the most part. He is allergic to something, I was thinking chicken and/or grains, so he is on a grain free 6 fish food and LOVES it, he has been on it about a month. Anyway, sometimes he is more itchy than others, and when he went in to the vets with me and Leo on Friday to have his knees checked (all good, zero luxation :) ) I asked about it because he has a little bald spot right now by his tail and a thin spot on his side, two spots where he has been scratching and biting frequently. Our vet said he has seasonal allergies to the same things that we do, as sometimes it goes away and sometimes it becomes more constant itchiness, he is probably allergic to the same things we are, like pollen etc. He said we can give him half of a childrens benadryl, a few times a day and it should help him. I havent tried that yet bc I know benadryl knocks me out for 6 hours and I dont want him in a drugged up daze. I was actually meaning to ask on here if anyone has tried it and side effects, etc. He has had little bald spots before, and then it grows back when he itches less.
Also, what about mites? Have you had your vet do a scrape of his spot? When Reese was a puppy he had a little bald spot on his shoulder that started tiny and gradually grew, they did a scrape at the vet and it was demodectic mange- evidently they all carry the mites but usually their systems are strong enough not to have a problem, and they thought Reese could clear it up on his own just as easily as meds would fix it, and it did go away within a week or two. So maybe mites are making Dexter itchy? I know youve said you got him from a pet store, we got Reese from a petstore too. A "nicer" one than most, but a he is a puppymill guy- it seems like you just get more of these weird little things with them when they werent as carefully bred.
Hope you get to the bottom of it, a bald Dexter would still be cute, but I rather like his coat!
could be somethin in the yard! hes always exploring there...hmm~ theres way too many plants to know though. i hope its not mites! yes i got him from a petstore but i also took him to the vets for a skin scrapin and he was mite-free and mangeless. they did however want me to go to a animal specialist i forgot what it was called but i didnt have the money for that...its nuts! lol a bald dexter would be funny looking to me, nomore furrybutt in my face...haha!

pidge, you can email the company for taste samples of Nupro if you want to see if Dexter will like it before you buy it. A lot of specialty pet food stores also have Nupro taste samples to give out as well if that's an option. My dogs love Nupro but my mom tried it with her picky chihuahua and her chi didn't like it at all.

Our Glory, also a LC blue tri, gets mildly bare patches when she blows her coat. When her new coat comes back in all the bare patches get filled in and covered up. Earlier this year she got hot spots on her back at the bases of her tail and she kept biting and biting the area until it was bald. I put cortizone on the area daily and it healed in about a week or two but it took another month or two for her bald spot to fill back in.

Several times I've wondered if Glory (3 years old) has some form of CDA since her mom, Faith, is a blue tricolor and her dad is a blue merle.
yay samples! i dont know how ur petstores work but the speciality ones around here only have samples of boring stuff haha~ oh glory that beauty! why do chis get hot spots anyway? ive always wanted to know!
 
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