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Just curious. . .do any of your chis have a "do not disturb" sign (not literally) on them when they are comfy?? If Angel is all warm and comfy and I want to move him, he gets all growly and bitey! One night he was in his crate about 45 minutes before bedtime. He always comes out when its time for the golden to go out for the night. So he came out, I tried to fix his shirt because one leg was coming out and it was cold out, and the little stinker got mad and bit me!! I have to work on breaking him of that. And, I understand, that as he gets older, he will mellow a bit! But right now he is in strict training. He is not allowed on my lap, of course, I can't control what hubby does!! I read that the most effective way to convey to them who is pack leader is through walks with the dog in the heel position. We have been practicing.

If anyone has any suggestions, I am all ears (& eyes!)lol.
 

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uh oh bitey chi! Hope u find something that works for u. Majority if the time Dexter is fine but when it comes to putting on a shirt he gets bitey too but it's not like he hates it. More of because he just hates Hein touched around the paws
 

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Knuckles will groan if he is sleeping. If you move him he will give a mild groan but be never bites anybody. He just lets us knows he doesnt want to be bothered. I can side with him because i hate being woke up when i am sleeping, especially over some bs. There is a differance in the tone, its not so much a growl as it is more of a groan and his body language is very calm and non threatning. He is simply just complaining. If i truely thought he was being aggressive, there would be consequences and repercussions. 31 yrs of rasing dogs, you learn to tell the differance from aggression and a simple complaint :p
 

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Bijoux would never growl or bite. You have a behavior problem : (
 

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Bijoux would never growl or bite. You have a behavior problem : (
I would not say behavioral problem. All dogs are different and have their own unique personalities, just like we do. Don't bug me when I am sleeping, because I sure will get angry. Who likes to get woken up from a blissful sleep?
Timmy on the other hand is very protective of his toys. Too many he has destroyed that wentto the hospital and never came back. That's what I tell him when he's wrecked a toy. On the days I feel like being a nurse, I sew them back up. But there is a huge back log at the hospital now.

So that has made him very protective of his toys. He will not bite me, but he growls at me for fear that the toy is going to the hospital and never to be seen again. Till nurse Regina sews it back together.

He loves his toys and that is him. Like the old saying don't take a bone away from a dog.
 

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All of mine get grumpy if you move them while they are sleeping. They wont bite but they will growl.
 

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Sorry, but if any of mine ever bit me, anyone else, or another dog without damn good reason, they'd get a short, sharp smack on the behind whilst I growl and say "No!" in a horrible, ugly voice.

Big dogs, small dogs, it makes no difference and I make no allowances based on size. It is, afterall, a heck of a lot less of a bollocking than their dam can give them if she's really annoyed at their behaviour.

I really struggle to understand people pandering to toy dogs, I just don't get it. I often wonder how much that has to do with their reputation of being snappy, snarly, barking, uncontrollable, spoilt monsters, or else quivering, simpering, whimpering, shivering messes.
 

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Mine know better! No growl no hissing no bites! Not accepted in this house no matter what I do to them.

I had one shepherd rotti mix who was an abuse case I rescued and I did a lot of work with her. Chelsea had an attitude and mastered the teenage eye roll. When she would get a bath she would do what I called an elvis growl (raise one piece of lip) I would laugh at her and that would shut her up and teenage eye roll is what I got. I knew the difference in her tones and the elvis growl was just her disapproval not aggression and the best way to fix her butt was to laugh and not let her get to me as he abuse situation made any anger from me 10 times worse.
 

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No biting!!

PR Punk Skater posted a link once about not letting your small cute
little Chi get away with anything you wouldn't allow a big dog to get
away with.

Neither of mine bite. However, if I startle Mimi she will start yelping
like someone is beating her silly.:rolleyes:
 

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Lacey only gets snippy when I try to take off something she wants to continue wearing. She has only nipped me once for real; she usually just gives me warnings. When she does that, I say a stern "DON'T YOU DARE" and she goes all submissive and allows me to continue what I was doing.
 

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Daisy so far is a limp noodle when she sleeps, she actually scared me once with how limp she was. Yes I fully woke her up and she just opened her eyes, looked at me, yawned and went back to sleep. She usually falls asleep in my lap or arms and than I move her to her doggie bed and cover her with her blanket and she continues in bliss. But shes still a puppy so I hope she stays like that when she becomes an adult.
 

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I often wonder how much that has to do with their reputation of being snappy, snarly, barking, uncontrollable, spoilt monsters, or else quivering, simpering, whimpering, shivering messes.
They do get a bad rap, don't they. Paco has the sweetest disposition of any dog I have ever seen - chi or other. He is bright, responsive, cuddly and well behaved. I am strict with him but he learns so quickly that it is just not that difficult.

I think sometimes people think it is cute to see a chi behaving badly so they don't correct it and then are annoyed when it becomes a real behavior issue! Not the puppies fault, now is it!?
 

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I think sometimes people think it is cute to see a chi behaving badly so they don't correct it and then are annoyed when it becomes a real behavior issue! Not the puppies fault, now is it!?
Hell no, not puppy's fault at all, unless it was just born bad to the bone and some are, albeit 1 in a 1,000,000 - that goodness they're fewer & far between than we humans ;)

For example, you guys over there love your pitbulls and swear they're the sweetest, nicest, best dogs in the world - they're completely banned here, having savaged, mauled & killed way too many people over the years - just recently a stranger's one rushed in off the street, into someone's home and killed her 3 year old daughter who was clinging to her mother's ankles right there in front of her mother & other family members.

Then there's that video this week of 4 English policeman all being savaged & later hospitalised by one on the rampage. At one stage here, we were getting a super severe mauling every week that required long hospitalisation, plastic surgery etc. Now, no way are pitbulls all born bad to the bone, but I would suggest that out here, where in-breeding (or line breeding as mamby, pamby, self-righteous fools like to call in-breeding) has been responsible for more misery than we could ever imagine because we just don't have the diversity of bloodlines etc. and their owners have let them down. Ditto other breeds that have a propensity to attack i.e. an Akita Inu Imp. male worth $40k lost the plot & killed its male owner who was simply feeding it.

I think Chi's and other toys are let down badly by those who're supposed to be their carers, many of whom haven't had animals before. Instead of "caring" properly, they have no idea and seem to spend their days treating them like fragile little sparrow's eggs, objects to dress up and display like little living dolls, never to be roughed up and played/wrestled with like a real DOG, just cute little accessories to be carried everywhere, or spend their life in front of a camera making cutsie poses, an extension of themselves that makes their life somehow worthwhile. Oh, and many never being allowed near kids under a certain age, breeders refusing to sell etc. - how utterly ridiculous, how is kid or dog to ever learn acceptance, tolerance & love/appreciation if always protected or separated from each other.

A good wallop on the backside never hurt any dog, provided it happens at the very moment the dog is misbehaving badly & is accompanied by an angry, ferocious growl from the handler ... I can't believe all these people who say, "No, no, you mustn't, you'll terrorise them" - wth? Where did that come from? What a crock!!!! Obviously a story (read excuse) invented by those who already owned unstable, neurotic creatures that they never socialised properly from the get go. Ignorance cannot be deemed to be an excuse in my book.

This discipline doesn't terrorise anything from a minature upwards, so why the heck would they think it would terrorise a toy who's feistier than most other dogs put together anyways? Besides, dogs love unconditionally so some really "hard" discipline (according to some, but extremely mild, to my mind) early on for any misdemeanour (except pottying) is only going to sort them out in the long run and the tons of love that we lavish on them doesn't go unnoticed. I much prefer a short sharp smack & a growl to picking them up by the scruff of the neck and giving them a good shake whilst making gutteral growling noises resembling "No!" as their Dam does, far too much risk of injury if we were to do that, despite the fact old school experts recommended such a method on all naughty dogs.

What about this aspect of toy ownership - they are allowed to piddle & poop in a very hit & miss affair on potty pads inside the house, sometimes for their entire lives, heaven forbid! Pads cost a bleedin' fortune & are hell for the environment - I can't think of a living soul who allows their large or giant breeds the same luxury - why do people make all these allowances across the board for tiny dogs, it's just bizarre to me.

We can't jerk a Chi's choker or yank a spiked chain collar, but we sure as heck can set them back on their naughty little butt with a mighty tug on their harness and growl like a woman possessed if they lunge at or go to attack a passer-by, be it 2 legged or 4 legged, until they learn that's unacceptable behaviour.

I'm just glad I'm a farm girl who's trained and worked livestock, working dogs and large breed showies all my life, otherwise I too may've ended up a far too passive Chi owner who thinks bad behaviour is uncorrectable due to their size/fragility, or it's cute/acceptable because that's "just the way he/she is" and it cannot, must not, be punished lest I hurt its widdle feelings.

I've never, ever needed to punish my human kids physically, but if they bit/hit me, snarled/screamed at me or blatantly disobeyed me, I sure as heck would would tan their patooties, but only until they're old enough to understand words & consequences. Fortunately, dogs reach that level a heck of a lot quicker than kids imo!
 

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Oh, perfect example of dogs coming to an instant understanding of consequences - both my older pups use the stairs to get up and down from my bed when I put them in place to invite them up - once up there they would tear around like absolute mad things.

Both have fallen headlong off the bed at a furious pace during play, and landed heavily on the bare floor boards below. They screamed, yelped & squealed like little stuck pigs from both shock & pain .... BUT, both of them only ever did it once, now they always have one eye on the edge and have toned down their recklessness to ensure they don't repeat the same mistake ever again. It's not rocket science!!!
 

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What puzzles me with Angel is that when he does growl and try to bite, once I get him out of that situation and want to pick him up, he cowers, like he's the one that's been attacked!! He has come a long way in one year, so hopefully time will see him through. He has been getting the "cold shoulder" from me for the last few days, and I have seen a slight change in his behavior. He follows me around trying to get attention! But for about one week it will be nothing but "business!" Actually, training!!

My other chi wasn't like this. I was very strict with him. As I am with this one, but hubby has gotten more lenient.
 

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tillie bites if i wake her up as i think it scares her (i dont mean to wake her :p) but its more of a nibble then a bite lol and tillie nibbles and crys when i have put her leg back in her dress or something but i think its as it hurts for some reason :S i dont really know :p
 

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Haha YES! Ote does this all the time. If you try to move her when she's comfy & ready to sleep for the night she will do a soft growl, more like a "purr" to say "No mom & dad, this IS where I'm sleeping." Haha! She also does it when she gets too hungry....she gets the "hangries" (hungry + angry) - she must get that from her mama ;) LOL
 

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I dont think anybody should put up with a dog that bites or growls at you when you wake them up! (although there is a difference between a warning growl and a conversational grumble I think!).
My lot usually chose to sleep on top of me so are used to me fidgeting and them randomly being rolled/pushed/shoved somewhere more comfy. If I wake them then the worst I get is a tail wag and a kiss! Not so my best friend though, she has the dogs 2 nights a week and generally takes them home and puts them to bed at about 1am. She has told me that Adam has given her a little grumble before if he's comfy and doesnt want to walk home.:rolleyes:
I dont agree with using physical force to train Chi's though. I think that being so tiny they can be prone to fear aggression and using forceful methods could backfire and make them more nervous and fearful. Personally I just love mine til Im the centre of their universe, then all I have to do to inflict horrible punishment is ignore them!!:D
 
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